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    Armenian foreign minister gives wide-ranging TV interview

    Public Television of Armenia, Yerevan
    11 Oct 04

    Armenian Foreign Minister Vardan Oskanyan has said in an interview
    to Armenian TV that relations with Russia are good even though Russia
    closing the border with Georgia following Beslan has caused problems
    for Armenia. In the interview, which spanned various topics and lasted
    a little over an hour, he added that the closure of the border was
    aimed against Georgia and not Armenia. On the question of Nagornyy
    Karabakh he said that the Azeri president was "driving himself into
    a corner" through his recent statements on the subject while later
    on in the interview Oskanyan denied that Armenia faced international
    isolation over its Karabakh policies. Asked to comment on recent
    reports that the USA planned to open military bases in neighbouring
    Azerbaijan, Oskanyan said he treated such reports "with suspicion". As
    regards the war in Iraq, he said Armenia had never welcomed it and
    would not be sending troops to Iraq. But at the same time Oskanyan
    said he supported antiterror measures. He wound up the interview by
    stressing Armenia's potential for development noting this could not be
    achieved without the involvement of the opposition and diaspora. The
    following is an excerpt from the interview to Armenian Public TV on
    11 October. Subheadings have been inserted editorially:

    Correspondent Good evening. Armenian Foreign Minister Vardan Oskanyan
    will answer our questions today. Good evening, Mr Oskanyan. The
    important question of this week is why the Verkhniy Lars checkpoint on
    the Russian-Georgian border is not operating. Despite negotiations
    at the highest level to open the border, it is not functioning
    yet. People in Armenia are speaking about changes in Russia's policy
    towards Armenia.

    Armenia is suffering from border closure

    Vardan Oskanyan, captioned The negotiations are continuing, and I am
    sure that there will be changes. It would be better if such cases did
    not take place at all. The situation is indeed very difficult, there
    are numerous vehicles on the border, and they cannot cross it. This
    has a negative impact on Armenia. The negotiations are going on at
    the highest level in order to resolve the problem. This problem cannot
    last long because nobody benefits from this: Russia, Georgia, Armenia,
    and also Azerbaijan to some extent, are suffering from this. I am
    sure that this problem will eventually be decided once and for all.

    First, we have to mention that this is the first case in our
    independent history that Russia, our strategic partner, has
    undertaken a step against our country and this has a negative impact
    on Armenia. But on the basis of this to claim that Russia has changed
    its attitude towards Armenia would be incorrect.

    Correspondent Does this mean that Russia has no grounds to punish Armenia or
    Georgia?

    Closure aimed at Georgia not Armenia

    Vardan Oskanyan Of course, this step is not against Armenia. This
    is against Georgia. We should not forget that serious events have
    recently taken place in that part of the region, i.e. the Beslan
    events, terrorist acts on the whole. Russia is undertaking relevant
    steps. There are also other problems between Russia and Georgia. All
    these measures are directed at resolving these problems, but not
    against Armenia. We must be ready for similar actions from countries
    with whom we have close relations, and this does not only refer to
    Russia; these countries can at times put their national interests
    above their ties with Armenia. A country, with whom we have the
    closest relations and is our strategic partner, can undertake such
    steps to defend its national interests.

    Correspondent But, we are losing out.

    Oskanyan Yes, we are losing out, but we must hope that this will not
    last long. Therefore, we must continue negotiations. Our interests,
    our infrastructures in this region are related so closely with the
    three South Caucasus and neighbouring countries that it has become
    like one entire system. If something takes place in one country, it
    has an immediate impact on other countries, too. For example, roads,
    oil pipelines and other things. We should all understand this and then
    the leaders would be more responsible as regards their activities.
    I hope that, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and also Armenia and Russia as
    well as other countries can overcome this situation. The resolution
    is also dependent on the presidents' experience and their readiness
    to solve the problem through cooperation.

    No problem in Armenian-Russian relations

    Correspondent As a result of recent events, public opinion polls show
    that the Russian-Armenian relations, the intergovernmental relations
    between the two countries are not horizontal. What is your assessment
    of the Russian-Armenian relations and how will they develop in future?

    Oskanyan There is no problem in our relations. Our relations with
    Russia are horizontal and satisfy our countries' interests.

    Aliyev is driving himself into a corner over Nagornyy Karabakh

    Correspondent Nagornyy Karabakh will never be independent, we shall
    never agree to a compromise, which is connected with our independence,
    and the international community will never recognize Nagornyy
    Karabakh's military regime. Ilham Aliyev Azerbaijani president said
    this in an interview with Reuters last week. In this interview, he
    also noted that Armenia must make decisive steps in the negotiating
    process by liberating seven districts. How would you comment on this
    statement by Aliyev Junior?

    Oskanyan You know, Aliyev has not only said this in this interview
    but also in his recent speech at the 59th session of the UN General
    Assembly on 24 September ; I think that he is driving himself into a
    corner. I hope that he understands this. By doing this, he wants to
    strengthen his precarious position in the country. But he has chosen
    the wrong direction and the wrong topic. He can issue statements, but
    his statements can only complicate his ability to compromise, without
    which a settlement to the Nagornyy Karabakh conflict is impossible. He
    forgets that some moves have taken place in this process. We are
    also making statements on Nagornyy Karabakh and if one is attentive
    enough, one can notice that no other settlement is possible in the
    Nagornyy Karabakh conflict in other words Karabakh will not be part
    of Azerbaijan . There will be no other settlement. Karabakh must not
    be part of Azerbaijan, as it has not been historically or legally
    either. Therefore, the truth is stressed in our speeches, in our
    president's speeches. It is stressed that Karabakh must never be part
    of Azerbaijan. We are very careful in our statements and we understand
    this issue could be solved by compromises, and the areas where we
    must make compromises do not contradict this. We never debate issues
    where we can make compromise. We do not issue irrelevant statements
    to gain political dividends. However, Aliyev does. I am not sure that
    he will rectify this policy; otherwise, he could worsen his situation.

    Various options possible to resolve Karabakh problem

    At present Nagornyy Karabakh cannot be part of Azerbaijan and not
    only we but also international organizations understand this point. A
    model of a common state option and the Key West process are proof
    of this. This option is also viewed as real by the OSCE Minsk Group
    co-chairs. Some six to seven years ago nobody even wanted to hear about
    this matter and we were not allowed to speak on this topic. Currently
    the situation has changed and it is a real option for Karabakh not to
    be part of Azerbaijan. This is one of the easiest options to implement
    if we approach this issue from the international community's point of
    view. We do not know whether Aliyev understands this or not. Judging
    from the contents and outcome of the negotiations, we may conclude
    that he does understand. Because there is a discrepancy between what he
    says in the negotiations and what he says in his speeches in public. We
    regret that he prepares his public speeches differently and therefore,
    he will have problems in connection with the public in future.

    Correspondent Mr Oskanyan, has a common state proposal been taken
    into consideration in the negotiations?

    Oskanyan You know, until now Azerbaijan has wanted to choose the
    easiest way based on the political line pursued by the former president
    Heydar Aliyev in domestic policy. True, various options are being
    discussed. However, the most difficult option for Azerbaijan is the
    return of territories. As before, they agree to the easiest option
    for themselves, i.e. the return of the territories, the postponement
    of the resolution of the Nagornyy Karabakh conflict and entrusting
    its resolution to future generations. This is a dangerous approach
    and this method cannot resolve the matter. Because, Azerbaijan will
    never make changes to its political line on the status of the Nagornyy
    Karabakh if it gets some other territories back. We would be naive to
    think that Azerbaijan will give up its political line in connection
    with the status of the NKR, improve relations and open the borders
    if we return some of the occupied territories. Nothing will change;
    such an approach can somewhat ease regional tension without having
    a role in the settlement of the Karabakh conflict. For the time
    being, the package option is the only way to achieve a resolution of
    this problem. Definite changes can be made in connection with the
    implementation of the package option. It is a topic of negotiations
    to define consistency while applying the points of this option.

    However, for the sake of establishing lasting and stable peace in
    the region and improving relations, we should agree to the package
    option as there is no other alternative. This is our foreign policy
    line and I believe that this package should be at the negotiating
    table as it has no alternative.

    US bases in Azerbaijan

    Correspondent Minister, the US United Press International agency
    reported that Azerbaijani Defence Minister Safar Abiyev and US Deputy
    Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs Steven Pifer
    agreed on stationing of US military bases in Cabrayil, Fuzuli and
    Zangilan southwest Azerbaijan . Is this proposal being discussed in
    the negotiations? Will these districts be really liberated?

    Oskanyan This is the first time that I have heard this, this is
    nonsense. The issue of stationing US military bases in Azerbaijan
    is certainly not our problem, this is their problem. The districts,
    mentioned by you, are part of the package option and they cannot be
    resolved separately. Even if this issue has been discussed between
    Azerbaijan and the USA, I consider it meaningless. I also treat this
    report with suspicion; this is provocation by Azerbaijan. This is
    what Azerbaijan would wish, it is hardly likely that the USA would
    take such a step.

    Passage omitted: Oskanyan comments on the Turkish-EU membership
    dialogue

    No Armenian troops for Iraq

    Correspondent Mr Oskanyan, parliament is expected to debate soon the
    issue of sending troops to Iraq. Do you think specialists should be
    sent to Iraq and what is your attitude towards this issue?

    Oskanyan Artak correspondent's name , you rectified your mistake at
    the end. However, the first part of your question is also wide of
    the mark. It is not correct to use the word troops. We cannot speak
    about troops here. Nevertheless, I'll try to give a generalized
    answer to the question. You see, unlike our regional neighbours,
    Armenia has never welcomed the war in Iraq. We have been principled
    on this issue since the first day and we still stick to this. We have
    not participated in the war and will not do so. It is everybody's
    task to contribute to the humanitarian issue. This issue certainly
    can be debated proceeding from the interests of the Iraqi people
    and our community there. I hope that our parliament will take the
    right decision. We should distinguish between the Iraqi war and
    war on terror. We are a member of the antiterror coalition and in
    tandem with the international community we are fighting against
    it. We are combating terrorism through legislative means, acceding
    to international conventions, protecting our borders and preventing
    it being used by a third country. Armenia deals with these issues
    seriously, and the USA and international community highly appreciate
    our efforts. We are also interested in fighting against terrorism as
    Armenia is a victim of terrorism.

    Passage omitted: terrorists fought in the Karabakh war in 1992-93

    Armenia will not face isolation over Karabakh

    Correspondent Minister, your statement that Karabakh is priceless
    and Armenia will never compromise on Karabakh for the sake of its
    involvement in oil and transport projects are being widely debated
    in the press. You have said that we can develop without them oil
    and transport projects and we shall put up with any difficulty that
    comes our way even if the war goes on for 100 years. In your opinion,
    will it not cost us dear to be in isolation?

    Oskanyan You asked two questions, and one of them surprised me very
    much. There cannot be a citizen in Armenia who does not agree that
    Karabakh is priceless. If Armenia has a citizen who does not agree
    with this opinion and thinks that I am wrong, then I regret it. Passage
    omitted: elaborates on why Karabakh is priceless To state that Karabakh
    has a price tag and we can make compromises over it for the sake of an
    oil pipeline and the opening of a railway are wrong. Karabakh cannot be
    haggled over as every inch of Armenia is priceless, including Karabakh.

    As the above could lead towards our isolation, it would, of course,
    be better if the Azerbaijani and Turkish borders were open, the railway
    were in operation and so on. I issued a statement at a press conference
    based on an interview by the US Minsk Group cochair, Steven Mann,
    where Mann said that Armenia might be isolated. My answer is: do not
    try to frighten us on these issues. Isolation is only possible if
    the international community is behind it. However, isolation is
    impossible. It is Turkey's decision to keep the railway closed.
    The issue of the oil pipeline and the closure of the Naxcivan
    section of the railway is Azerbaijan's decision. It is natural
    that given the above, they would like to isolate Armenia. It is
    true that we have been deprived of involvement in the oil pipeline
    and transport projects. However, it would be wrong to view this as
    Armenia's isolation. Isolation is possible only if the international
    community takes steps against Armenia. However, this is not the case;
    just the opposite. You see, due to Armenia's current activities,
    we are members of important international organizations, starting
    from human rights commissions to our participation in the work
    of top-level organizations. Armenia has never been so close to
    international organizations as now

    Stability and cooperation with others will ensure development

    Correspondent You say that Armenia can be developed. Which development
    resources are these? Financial, human or diplomatic? Have we sufficient
    resources?

    Oskanyan It is true, there are many problems in Armenia today. The
    level of poverty is very high, there are many serious problems with
    employment. All these have to be solved gradually. All these problems
    can be solved only by ensuring high rates of economic growth. I
    can boldly announce today that using only a small per cent of the
    resources of our Armenianhood, including Armenia itself and the
    diaspora changes tack - we have large resources. The resources are
    not only human, financial and the infrastructure. The resources are
    at the same time, democracy, human rights, the diaspora's involvement
    and our policies. There are also other resources which we have not
    yet been harnessed. We must use these resources. I would like to
    outline our political stability among these resources, and also the
    establishment and formation of a political field where the government
    and opposition both have a role to play . To implement all these,
    we need the opposition's involvement. We can develop and cooperate
    in this region only through the correct usage of our resources. These
    resources exist and all that remains is to establish peace inside the
    country and to involve the diaspora in our works. An assurance that
    Armenia has enough resources to develop is needed regarding Armenia,
    and in order to achieve this assurance we need domestic political
    stability; and to achieve domestic political stability we need
    cooperation between the ruling sides and the opposition. I am sure
    that we have all these resources and we must work in this direction;
    and then we can implement all these things in these conditions. We
    need to work on the opening of the borders, but if they do not open
    we must try to continue the tempos of our development in the existing
    conditions and achieve a strong and prosperous Armenia.

    Correspondent Mr Oskanyan, thank you for your interesting interview
    and goodbye.

    From: Emil Lazarian | Ararat NewsPress
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