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    Nuclear Iran

    The Atlantic recently asked a group of foreign-policy authorities about
    Iran's nuclear quest

    The Atlantic Monthly
    September 2006

    The Agenda

    Poll

    Special extended Web version

    Do you believe there is any set of incentives and economic sanctions
    that could persuade Iran to give up its quest for nuclear weapons?

    63%Yes
    37%No

    `Yes. Economic pressure can have a major impact on Tehran's calculations,
    given the demands of a young population. Such pressure would have to
    include a ban on investment in the energy sector, and possibly an oil
    embargo, to have the desired effect. And it would have to be coupled to a
    clear economic and diplomatic rewards to provide the right incentives.'

    `Yes, sort of - that is, I think they would be prepared to suspend [their
    nuclear program], but hold on to enough capabilities to hedge against
    unfavorable developments and restart it.'

    `Yes. Iran is likely to insist on keeping a 'research' program that
    preserves a small-scale, low-grade enrichment capability. But the right
    package can forestall Tehran's quest for nuclear weapons.'

    `If the question is to persuade Iran to permanently abandon their quest,
    the answer is no. If the question is to persuade Iran [not to seek]
    nuclear weapons capability now (but with a capacity to move in that
    direction in the future), I think the answer is yes.'

    `A grand bargain with the United States might persuade Tehran to stop just
    short of building the bomb. But neither [Iranian President Mahmoud]
    Ahmadinejad nor the mullahs will sign any deal that requires Iran to shut
    down its nuclear program. And any grand bargain will require Washington to
    recognize Tehran as a major regional player.'

    `Yes. There is a fifty percent chance that a grand bargain that includes
    all carrots and sticks could persuade to postpone not give up - [their
    nuclear program] for a period, say 5 years after which [it will be]
    another issue.'

    `Yes, but I think the important part of a package would be incentives,
    including some form of security guarantees. I doubt that the threat of
    economic sanctions is going to be all that much of a motivating force for
    the Iranian leaders. The rest of the world is unlikely to be able to
    boycott Iranian oil with much effect.'

    `Give up? No. Postpone or delay? Yes. While a few countries, [having] once
    embarked on the quest for nuclear weapons, have indeed decided to abandon
    that quest when they concluded it was not in their interests. This
    certainly includes Sweden, South Africa and Libya. Others have decided
    that circumstances made it in their present interest to delay or postpone
    an effort, but not to forsake forever such a quest. These countries,
    Japan, Brazil and a few others, have kept the option available, usually
    under the guise of a peaceful nuclear power program. Iran, at best, can be
    moved to this second category of states.'

    `Yes or no answers are difficult for these questions. My 'Yes' answer for
    this question is very tentative. An absolutely solid set of highly
    restrictive economic sanctions applied by all, or nearly all, nations
    would over time force Iran to its knees. But it is highly unlikely that
    such sanctions would ever be universally agreed or applied. The threat of
    military action could work if it came from an alliance of nations
    including the US, the UK, France, Germany, and Russia (or most of the
    above). But the threat would have to be credible, and used if necessary.
    Again, the ability to put such an alliance together is nil - at least at
    this time.'

    `No. However, a set of very strong incentives could lead Iran to slow the
    program considerably to avoid further provocations. Tehran would still
    seek nuclear weapons, but the problem would be put off for a while.'

    `No, nothing to give up its quest but they may be willing to suspend
    indefinitely or to maintain a highly inspected and monitored research
    capability.'

    `No, not with this regime.'

    `No. I don't believe the Europeans would make sanctions credible enough to
    convince the Iranians that there's really an 'or else' out there.'

    `No. Iran has too much invested in its nuclear program. Even if, like
    North Korea, it signed an accord, it would violate it.'

    `Yes. (I note, however, that you have 'loaded the question' by assuming
    that Iran is on a 'quest for nuclear weapons'. There are other possible
    explanations for what is going on, including prestige, regional influence,
    a belief in the 'right' to be scientifically advanced, and getting our
    goat - although you may indeed be right. Making that assumption at this
    point necessarily pushes analysis in particular directions). The
    incentives? In addition to the prospect of a lifting of all sanctions and
    re-admission into the league of civilized nations, incentives should focus
    on a U.S. offer of security guarantees for Iranian good behavior, the
    latter defined in terms of a) no bomb; 2) open inspections; and 3) no more
    support for Hezbollah or other terrorist groups. The fact that we will not
    make such an offer (and ignored credible Iranian feelers on a 'grand
    bargain' in 2003 - an event only marginally covered in the US press and
    dismissed out of hand by the Administration) has dismayed the Europeans,
    who have set as a key goal getting us to make this offer. Would it work?
    Who can tell until we try; and if it does not, then we will be better able
    to build genuine support among the Europeans for sanctions, etc. Indeed,
    the fact that we will not put the security issue on the table only plays
    into the hands of those in the Iranian leadership who would like to get
    the bomb, if only for deterrence purposes. Economic sanctions? That would
    just arm those in Teheran who would like Iran to thumb its nose at the
    West and go hell-bent for a bomb.'

    If Iran were to build nuclear weapons, do you think it would likely do any
    of the following:

    A. Support terrorism more aggressively, from behind a nuclear shield, with
    the goal of further spreading the Islamic revolution?

    58% Yes
    42% No

    `No. Iran's decision to acquire nuclear weapons is driven principally by a
    defensive need to deter attack and secondarily by the desire to be
    recognized as a major regional power.'

    `No. I think they will make that calculation whether or not they have
    nuclear weapons.'

    `No. They are already supporters of terrorism. Possession of nuclear
    weapons is unlikely to give them an added ability to do so.'

    `Doubtful, that is, 'no.' The Islamic Revolution is pretty much played
    out, and you don't spread revolution through the barrel of a (nuclear)
    gun. It doesn't work. And opponents can use counter techniques that stay
    below the level at which an Iranian bomb could rationally be employed.'

    `We need to find them an excuse to NOT pursue nuclear weapons [using]
    diplomatic, security, economic, and energy incentives!'

    `Yes. However, Iran's goals would range from reducing U.S. influence to
    engaging in a strategic rivalry with Saudi Arabia. Spreading the
    revolution would be one goal of many, and not the most important one.'

    B. Seek to drive up oil prices by bullying other OPEC members, closing the
    Strait of Hormuz, or taking other actions for its economic gain?

    65% No
    35% Yes

    `No. They are unlikely to be able to 'bully' enough other OPEC members to
    have significant influence on oil prices.'

    `No. I don't think nuclear weapons will change their basic economic
    behavior vis-à-vis oil production and transportation.'

    `No. If Iran were to come to the conclusion that higher oil prices were in
    its national interest we have given it far less risky options to
    accomplish this. The failure of the US to put in place any national energy
    policy other than convincing producers to hold US Treasuries and keep
    pumping has left us with an oil market that will continue to teeter on the
    brink of higher prices and lurch from one supply crisis to another. It can
    do this now. If it has chosen not to do so, it is because it has learned
    the lessons of Saudi Arabia and Nigeria, - sudden surges in oil prices can be
    as destructive to the societies of producers as to the economies of
    consumers. And the lessons of Gazprom that addiction gives you more real,
    continuing power - and even a German Chancellor - whereas a naked display
    of that power can be costly.'

    `Doubtful. Iran has to live in the same world with the other oil
    producers, it has an interest in a stable market place (at a high price
    for oil, of course), and a bomb will not protect it from economic and
    other countermeasures.'

    `Yes. But only in response to coercive measures undertaken by the
    international community.'

    `Yes. Iran might bully OPEC members or be more aggressive in its foreign
    policy. Closing the Strait [of Hormuz] would hurt Iran tremendously,
    however, and it would not do this except in very dire circumstances.'

    `Yes, of course. Simply posturing about nuclear weapons is a big economic
    gain for Iran because it drives up oil prices.'

    C. Use its nuclear weapons offensively, either by directly attacking other
    countries or by passing the weapons to terrorist groups?

    86% No 14% Yes

    `I would say no to all three of these possibilities, unless we attack
    them.'

    `No, but I am not as certain as I would like to be.'

    `No. Iran can be deterred from doing so by the certain knowledge of
    devastating retaliation.'

    `No. They will face very credible nuclear deterrence from the US and
    Israel.'

    `No. Iran has had chemical weapons for twenty years now and has not passed
    them to terrorists - upping the stakes and passing a nuclear weapon would be
    highly unlikely.'

    `No. I think they will closely parallel the Chinese approach to nuclear
    weapons - as the ultimate symbol of superpower status and political might,
    but not as a war-fighting asset. I think we can deal with a nuclear Iran
    through traditional methods of deterrence.'

    `No. Nuclear weapons will make Iran more confident and perhaps more
    influential, but not necessarily more irresponsible. Certainly that has
    not been the effect of such capacity upon any other nuclear power. The
    U.S. will be able to deter Iran from any use of its nuclear capacity
    against the U.S. and its allies. Of course Iran will to a much lesser
    degree also be able to deter the U.S.'

    `The questions miss the point. Iran would attempt to exploit the
    possession of nuclear weapons for purposes of prestige, rather than any
    immediate concrete or exceptionally well-defined objectives.'

    `No. Nobody even halfway rational and the Iranians are not irrationals
    going to pass nuclear weapons to anyone else, much less a terrorist group
    that might just attack the country that gave it the bomb. Offensive use of
    the bomb would be ridiculous, even as a cover for a non-nuclear attack,
    because Iran would be destroyed in the process. And who would let it get
    to the point that it would have a true second-strike deterrent? Let's face
    it: for Iran, a bomb would be a political white elephant just as Qaddafi
    concluded except perhaps to show it could build the bomb and to exert some
    more influence in the region. But it would become even more of a pariah
    state, it would be surrounded by Sen. John Warner's 'ring of deterrence,'
    and it would find that it had got itself a bad deal. I do not want to live
    in a world where Iran has the bomb, if only because of the uncertainties
    that that would pose; but that is different from saying that a bomb would
    free Iran from all constraints to behave within very severe limits in a
    part of the world where reasonable behavior is a price for doing
    business.'

    `Yes. [Iran] is not building nuclear weapons as Christmas tree ornaments.'

    `Yes - the real fear is [for Iran] to, at some point at least, give
    nuclear know-how and equipment to terrorist allies. This might fall short
    of "passing the weapons to terrorist groups" but falls long on the scale
    of danger.'

    `This is the real question! Most analysts will say that history shows that
    possession of nuclear weapons makes states more risk adverse and
    interested in stability. Classic case is the loss of revolutionary zeal in
    China after it crossed the threshold. But the real question is whether
    Iran is like all other states or does it believe that it has a divine
    mission whose accomplishment may well require massive destruction - even its
    own. The awful truth is that no one knows the answer to this question. We
    do not know it, not because we have a broken intelligence service that is
    incapable of penetrating Tehran's inner sanctums - although that is probably
    true. We do not know the answer to this question because it is a battle
    that is on-going in Iran itself and the answer belongs to the unknown
    future not to the hidden, secret present. This leads me to the conclusion
    that YES it is possible that Iran might indeed might in one way or the
    other directly, actually use its nuclear weapons that we must do
    everything in our power and interests to delay, postpone and deny it the
    acquisition of these weapons.'

    `Once again, your choices do not exhaust the possibilities. Would it
    increase Iranian influence and stature? Yes. Would it tend to make them
    bolder and more assertive in foreign policy in ways that may not be
    predictable? Yes. Will it have the effect of making other powers in the
    region seek to shore up their own arsenals? Yes.'

    `No to all three, but frankly, the questions as stated miss the point.
    Whether it is likely to do so or not (more than a fifty percent chance) is
    less important than whether there is a reasonable chance that it might
    (zero to fifty percent) and the answer to each is yes. That makes it a
    sufficiently serious threat. Moreover, it could act aggressively in other
    ways not contemplated in the question that should concern us - e.g. meddling
    in Iraq more, funding and supporting Palestinian extremists more
    aggressively [from] behind a nuclear shield without broader intent to
    foment Islamic Revolution, or transferring technology (but not actual
    weapons) to others that are equally threatening to US interests.'

    `The biggest negatives of Iran succeeding in realizing their nuclear
    ambitions are: First, triggering a 'cascade of proliferation' as imagined
    in the recent UN high level commission report, where countries like Egypt,
    Saudi Arabia, and Syria would form a multi-party arms race in the Middle
    East certain to increase instability in an already-unstable region and
    would likely to lead to some use of nuclear weapons. Second, the risk that
    in a semi-stable regime with multiple, competing power groups such as
    Iran's, one would believe that it could transfer warhead to terrorists
    without fingerprints. Third, that Israel - the state for which this is the
    most urgent existential threat - attacks Iran to prevent them from getting
    the bomb, leading to retaliation against not only Israel, but the US which
    will be blamed as well, even if Bush administration tries to distance the
    US from Israel's actions.'

    `Yes or no answers are difficult for these questions. Iran might decide to
    use any of the courses of action described above, depending on how the
    leadership estimated the likely response. The action that most worries me
    is 'passing the weapons to terrorist groups'. That would provide the
    Iranians with the best cover for its actions.'


    PARTICIPANTS (38): Kenneth Adelman, Graham Allison, Ronald Asmus, Samuel
    Berger, Max Boot, Stephen Bosworth, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Daniel Byman,
    Richard Clarke, Eliot Cohen, Ivo Daalder, James Dobbins, Lawrence
    Eagleburger, Douglas Feith, John Gaddis, Robert Gallucci, Leslie Gelb,
    Marc Grossman, John Hamre, Gary Hart, Bruce Hoffman, Robert Hunter, Tony
    Judt, Robert Kagan, David Kay, Andrew Krepinevich, Charles Kupchan, John
    Lehman, James Lindsay, William Nash, Joseph Nye, Carlos Pascual, Thomas
    Pickering, Kenneth Pollack, Joseph Ralston, Susan Rice, Wendy Sherman,
    James Steinberg.

    Not all participants answered every question.

    From: Emil Lazarian | Ararat NewsPress
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