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POPE'S VISIT TO TURKEY: A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY?
Zenit News Agency, Italy
Sept 26 2006
Interview With Bishop L. Padovese, Apostolic Vicar of Anatolia
ROME, SEPT. 26, 2006 (Zenit.org).- The apostolic vicar of Anatolia
believes that Benedict XVI's visit to Turkey in November might be a
unique occasion to give a clear address on relations between Islam
and Christianity.
In this interview with ZENIT last Friday, Bishop Luigi Padovese, 59,
an assiduous scholar of the Church in Turkey, sketched a picture of
the state of that country, destination of the Pope's fifth apostolic
trip abroad.
As apostolic vicar of Anatolia, he has been threatened and, four
months ago, a motorcyclist tried to run over him. He now has a police
escort when he goes out, which the Italian ambassador requested from
the governor of Antioch.
The bishop's region of Anatolia is where an Italian missionary,
Father Andrea Santoro, was slain last February.
Q: What is the situation in Turkey?
Bishop Padovese: Turkey presents a composite picture, where the
presence of nationalist groups and the growing phenomenon of
Islamization, triggered by an economic situation that has been
degenerating, has fueled a closed attitude both in regard to
Christianity as well as to Europe.
We might think that in Turkey everyone is in favor of [the country's]
entry into Europe, but instead, I am beginning to see that it isn't
like that.
There are Muslim groups that believe that Turkey's rapprochement to
Europe might make it lose its Muslim identity. In Turkey today, to be
a good Turk means to be a good Muslim. For such people, Turkey's entry
into Europe might mean to be a good Turk but no longer a good Muslim.
Q: Do you think Muslims fear modernity?
Bishop Padovese: They use the instruments of modernity, but fear
losing their national identity, fruit of the work of conquest of
[Kemal] Ataturk [the first president of Turkey].
In my opinion, Turkish democracy, deep down, does not accept other
voices: It is democratic but in unison. This is explains why, all told,
minorities are hard-pressed to be accepted and recognized.
Q: And what is the situation with the Orthodox?
Bishop Padovese: The relationship with the Orthodox is quite good
because we are experiencing the same problems.
There is a certain accord linked to common problems, though I must
say that in regard to the Pope's visit, the Ecumenical and Armenian
patriarchates have taken a stance that seems almost like a distancing
-- an action justified for reasons of prudence, because in Turkey
there is no inclination to subtleties and no distinction is made
between Orthodox, Catholics and Protestants. Seen from outside, it
looks like a desire to wash one's hands; seen from within, it is a
way of shielding the community from dangers and threats.
Q: What can be said about the Catholic community in Turkey?
Bishop Padovese: The Catholic presence is very limited and concentrated
in great centers: Istanbul, Smyrna, Mersin and Ankara, especially
among diplomats. There are parishes here and there, but frequented
by a few hundred faithful.
There is a Latin, Armenian-Catholic, Chaldean-Catholic and
Syro-Catholic Christianity. They belong to the Tradition and the
expressions of the different rights are kept, though in numerical
terms they are few.
Q: How do you assess the Holy Father's forthcoming visit?
Bishop Padovese: The Holy Father's visit is delicate -- not problematic
due to questions of an ecumenical character, because from this point
of view an accord has already been reached. Moreover, there will be a
joint declaration by the Bishop of Rome and the patriarch of Istanbul.
The more complex questions regard the relationship between Christianity
and Islam, and what the Pontiff thinks of Turkey's eventual entry into
Europe. Turkish media criticized the then Cardinal Ratzinger because,
according to them he is not in favor of Turkey's entry into Europe.
Q: What do you think of the reactions to the lesson Benedict XVI gave
at the University of Regensburg?
Bishop Padovese: I fear that some in Turkey might wish to organize
a protest in view of the Pope's arrival. For the fundamentalists it
is a very tempting occasion.
I read a statement of the person in charge of Turkish religious
affairs, who specified that Turkey will receive the Pontiff but as
a head of state, which means that the figure of the religious leader
fades into the background.
There are those who would prefer that the Pontiff not go to Turkey;
however, it is no longer an issue of opening a window to the Muslim
world but a balcony, to deliver a clear address on relations between
Islam and Christianity.
I am convinced that what was a problem might become an unrepeatable
occasion, a unique opportunity, because all the media of the Arab
countries will focus on what the Pope says. Some won't be happy,
but at least they will refer to what the Holy Father affirms.
Q: In what way can the Western Christian community help the small
Turkish flock?
Bishop Padovese: We are a reality without a voice. The problem, which
the Pontiff also expressed on the occasion of Father Santoro's death,
is that we are in Turkey without means of social communication.
Protestants have a TV channel and two or three radio stations. We
have nothing. This means that we cannot take a position and are even
unable to rectify anything falsely written or said against us. To
make rectifications I have had to contract a lawyer full time. I have
requested rectifications from two newspapers and they have done so, and
another, to avoid prosecution, will meet with me to present excuses.
Q: How is dialogue with Islam progressing?
Bishop Padovese: The situation is complicated because Islam has an
idea of reality that is all-encompassing and absorbing. And the
absolutism that Muslims advocate does not allow for any form of
dialogue or compromise.
There is a relationship with some people of the Muslim world. The
greatest problem is linked to the difficulty of different levels of
cultural and theological preparation. There are Islamic schools of
theology, but I have the impression that they are not at the level
of our own; we do not meet on the same plane.
The fact is that Islam does not allow exegesis of the Koran, while
Christianity allows exegesis of sacred Scripture.
So it happens that there is no true dialogue, only mutual knowledge.
A gathering of information from one side and the other, what we do
and what they do, but this isn't genuine dialogue.
There is dialogue and cooperation in charitable and social works, but
when it comes to theological questions, then we are very far behind.
We have organized congresses on the images of Jesus and Mary in Islam,
but there were few Muslim participants -- only people of a certain
cultural formation. Those imams with little theological preparation
did not participate. This is one of the big problems.
There is very little theological activity in Islam, which differs
according to the different schools. The difference is that we
Christians have a guiding magisterium; [Muslims], instead, don't have
it and it is individual theologians who decide.
From: Emil Lazarian | Ararat NewsPress
Zenit News Agency, Italy
Sept 26 2006
Interview With Bishop L. Padovese, Apostolic Vicar of Anatolia
ROME, SEPT. 26, 2006 (Zenit.org).- The apostolic vicar of Anatolia
believes that Benedict XVI's visit to Turkey in November might be a
unique occasion to give a clear address on relations between Islam
and Christianity.
In this interview with ZENIT last Friday, Bishop Luigi Padovese, 59,
an assiduous scholar of the Church in Turkey, sketched a picture of
the state of that country, destination of the Pope's fifth apostolic
trip abroad.
As apostolic vicar of Anatolia, he has been threatened and, four
months ago, a motorcyclist tried to run over him. He now has a police
escort when he goes out, which the Italian ambassador requested from
the governor of Antioch.
The bishop's region of Anatolia is where an Italian missionary,
Father Andrea Santoro, was slain last February.
Q: What is the situation in Turkey?
Bishop Padovese: Turkey presents a composite picture, where the
presence of nationalist groups and the growing phenomenon of
Islamization, triggered by an economic situation that has been
degenerating, has fueled a closed attitude both in regard to
Christianity as well as to Europe.
We might think that in Turkey everyone is in favor of [the country's]
entry into Europe, but instead, I am beginning to see that it isn't
like that.
There are Muslim groups that believe that Turkey's rapprochement to
Europe might make it lose its Muslim identity. In Turkey today, to be
a good Turk means to be a good Muslim. For such people, Turkey's entry
into Europe might mean to be a good Turk but no longer a good Muslim.
Q: Do you think Muslims fear modernity?
Bishop Padovese: They use the instruments of modernity, but fear
losing their national identity, fruit of the work of conquest of
[Kemal] Ataturk [the first president of Turkey].
In my opinion, Turkish democracy, deep down, does not accept other
voices: It is democratic but in unison. This is explains why, all told,
minorities are hard-pressed to be accepted and recognized.
Q: And what is the situation with the Orthodox?
Bishop Padovese: The relationship with the Orthodox is quite good
because we are experiencing the same problems.
There is a certain accord linked to common problems, though I must
say that in regard to the Pope's visit, the Ecumenical and Armenian
patriarchates have taken a stance that seems almost like a distancing
-- an action justified for reasons of prudence, because in Turkey
there is no inclination to subtleties and no distinction is made
between Orthodox, Catholics and Protestants. Seen from outside, it
looks like a desire to wash one's hands; seen from within, it is a
way of shielding the community from dangers and threats.
Q: What can be said about the Catholic community in Turkey?
Bishop Padovese: The Catholic presence is very limited and concentrated
in great centers: Istanbul, Smyrna, Mersin and Ankara, especially
among diplomats. There are parishes here and there, but frequented
by a few hundred faithful.
There is a Latin, Armenian-Catholic, Chaldean-Catholic and
Syro-Catholic Christianity. They belong to the Tradition and the
expressions of the different rights are kept, though in numerical
terms they are few.
Q: How do you assess the Holy Father's forthcoming visit?
Bishop Padovese: The Holy Father's visit is delicate -- not problematic
due to questions of an ecumenical character, because from this point
of view an accord has already been reached. Moreover, there will be a
joint declaration by the Bishop of Rome and the patriarch of Istanbul.
The more complex questions regard the relationship between Christianity
and Islam, and what the Pontiff thinks of Turkey's eventual entry into
Europe. Turkish media criticized the then Cardinal Ratzinger because,
according to them he is not in favor of Turkey's entry into Europe.
Q: What do you think of the reactions to the lesson Benedict XVI gave
at the University of Regensburg?
Bishop Padovese: I fear that some in Turkey might wish to organize
a protest in view of the Pope's arrival. For the fundamentalists it
is a very tempting occasion.
I read a statement of the person in charge of Turkish religious
affairs, who specified that Turkey will receive the Pontiff but as
a head of state, which means that the figure of the religious leader
fades into the background.
There are those who would prefer that the Pontiff not go to Turkey;
however, it is no longer an issue of opening a window to the Muslim
world but a balcony, to deliver a clear address on relations between
Islam and Christianity.
I am convinced that what was a problem might become an unrepeatable
occasion, a unique opportunity, because all the media of the Arab
countries will focus on what the Pope says. Some won't be happy,
but at least they will refer to what the Holy Father affirms.
Q: In what way can the Western Christian community help the small
Turkish flock?
Bishop Padovese: We are a reality without a voice. The problem, which
the Pontiff also expressed on the occasion of Father Santoro's death,
is that we are in Turkey without means of social communication.
Protestants have a TV channel and two or three radio stations. We
have nothing. This means that we cannot take a position and are even
unable to rectify anything falsely written or said against us. To
make rectifications I have had to contract a lawyer full time. I have
requested rectifications from two newspapers and they have done so, and
another, to avoid prosecution, will meet with me to present excuses.
Q: How is dialogue with Islam progressing?
Bishop Padovese: The situation is complicated because Islam has an
idea of reality that is all-encompassing and absorbing. And the
absolutism that Muslims advocate does not allow for any form of
dialogue or compromise.
There is a relationship with some people of the Muslim world. The
greatest problem is linked to the difficulty of different levels of
cultural and theological preparation. There are Islamic schools of
theology, but I have the impression that they are not at the level
of our own; we do not meet on the same plane.
The fact is that Islam does not allow exegesis of the Koran, while
Christianity allows exegesis of sacred Scripture.
So it happens that there is no true dialogue, only mutual knowledge.
A gathering of information from one side and the other, what we do
and what they do, but this isn't genuine dialogue.
There is dialogue and cooperation in charitable and social works, but
when it comes to theological questions, then we are very far behind.
We have organized congresses on the images of Jesus and Mary in Islam,
but there were few Muslim participants -- only people of a certain
cultural formation. Those imams with little theological preparation
did not participate. This is one of the big problems.
There is very little theological activity in Islam, which differs
according to the different schools. The difference is that we
Christians have a guiding magisterium; [Muslims], instead, don't have
it and it is individual theologians who decide.
From: Emil Lazarian | Ararat NewsPress