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PSEUDO-'ASSYRIANS' AND 'KURDISH' TERRORISTS: LIARS FOSTERING CHAOS AND GENOCIDE
Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis
American Chronicle
www.americanchronicle.com/articles/75200
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
CA
In three previous articles, we revealed several recent aspects
of the Anglo-French colonial involvement (by means of gullible
local proxies) in parts of the Asiatic Middle East inhabited by
the Aramaean Nation, which after three (3) millennia of existence
became the target of Western European colonial policies. ("the Ongoing
Aramaean Genocide, the Fabricated Pseudo-Assyrian Nation, and Kurdish
Terrorists" / http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/74834;
& quot;Looming End of Oriental Christianity: Unholy Alliance
of ´Kurdish´ Terrorists with Pseudo-Assyrians" /
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/74953; ´Anti-Christian
Unholy Alliance: the Forged "Assyrian" Pseudo-Nation and the PKK
Terrorists´ / http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/75010).
Under the auspices of the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge which controls
the colonial establishments of France and England, a ´holy alliance´
has been forged between the terrorist "Kurdish" organization PKK
(practically speaking a construction of the French secret services)
and the ´Assyrianist´ organizations of the Aramaeans. This further
endangers the survival of the Aramaean Nation, either the nationally
integral and conscious Aramaeans or the disoriented and bamboozled
´Assyrianists´.
In this article, we will continue the re-publication of the
insightful research which was first published in the Aramaean website
www.aranmahrin.org. More particularly, we republish translated
(by the Aram Nahrin team - from Turkish) excerpts from the Kurdish
newspaper Berxwedan that relate to discussions (lit. proceedings
of a meeting held on 22.4.1993) between the "chairman" APO of the
terrorist organization PKK and the board of Assyrian Democratic
Organization. The brusque falsification of the Ancient and Christian
History of Mesopotamia became apparently the foundation on which the
two terrorist organizations intended to base their effort for another
Hell in the multi-divided region. We will complete the present series
in a forthcoming article.
Translation of Berxwedan
After we provided you with general background information which we
felt was important, we present below to you the complete translation
of the PKK newspaper Berxwedan of 15 June 1993.
The newspaper Berxwedan was published in Turkey. The language used
is not the standard Turkish as spoken in Ankara and Istanbul. The
grammar is bad. In spite of the good knowledge of the members of the
translation team, yet it was sometimes quite a challenge to translate
some parts.
Therefore we are infinitely grateful to the team of translators who
scarified their time and energy to translate as good as possible the
newspaper. The left column is the original Turkish text and right
column is the translated text in English. We also have made a high
resolution A3-scan of the original newspaper, so that the reader
may download to read it or to compare with the typed text of the
left column.
Kurdish Newspaper Berxwedan of 15 June 1993, Page 16
(Please click on the scan below to download the high-resolution scan
of page 16 or to read it online)
Page 16, Column 1
We report on the meeting took place on 22.4.1993 between Chairman
APO and the board of Assyrian Democratic Organization.
(Note: APO is nickname for Abdullah Ocalan).
Chairman APO: You are one of oldest peoples of Kurdistan. The
cooperation between the Kurds and the Assyrians is again oldest one
in the history. This was also a little bit with Armenians. However the
cooperation between the Kurds and the Assyrians was more intense. Until
today one gets confused: why did these people became strangers to one
another, drifted apart. Undoubtedly, the faith is one of the reasons.
However one of the most important reason little bit also the dominating
era of the Turkish - Ottoman Empire of Sultanate and/or the era of
republic. They crushed the peoples and set them against each other
as well. Some of these peoples were moved from the place where the
lived. Perhaps the Kurds did not die, yet they became in a situation
which is worse than the death.
With the Assyrians it seems obviously that it was polished off a
bit in quite. Of course, they considerable set the Kurdish leaders,
Sheiks against them. The treacherous rulers who ruled the Kurds and
Kurdistan have brought you and Armenians in this thorny situation.
In that time we had this kind of traitors and today they are still
who caused us severe damage. With this (people) we are completely in
combat. The last war in southeastern (of Turkey) is a continuation
of that. That is to say, this is little bit connected with the fact
that these issues in the past have been neglected. When a nation does
not enjoy freedom, its neighbors will also have no freedom.
It seems to be like this, that the extent of subjection of that
nation, being neglected by the world, this also became the fate
of its neighbors. That is to say, the bad situation of the Kurdish
people, explains to my opinion also clearly the bad situation of the
neighboring peoples.
Again, the situation you now find yourself in, explains our bad
situation. The solution is this: the peoples will only have freedom;
in particular the nations living among each others, if they themselves
fight for their rights, otherwise the world will also not recognize
them. I believe that the struggle of PKK is not the struggle of
the Kurds only. The intention was little bit the liberation of all
Kurds. As I just said before, the increase of the strength of our
struggle was meant that the existed cultures and their owners should
have had liberated.
Page 16, Column 2
You have a very important place in the history. Your case is very
intense interrelated with the Kurdish reality of the past. To my
opinion, the Armenians made a mistake in the history by relaying on
closed nationalism. The Ottoman Empire misused this very badly by
inciting the Hamadiye armies against them and they lost.
(Note of the translators: Hamidiye was a Turkish army unit consisted
out of only the Kurds, established by Sultan Abdul Hamid, hence the
name "Hamidye". )
A wrong strategy. This (partly) also by moving a bit in the
direction of Europe. However as for Europe, their interests are above
everything. If necessary, they also will sacrifice nations. However,
if the Armenians paid attention to unity with the Kurds, would have
worked together for common liberation, for sure their situation would
not have been like that.
The struggle of Assyrians (Syrians) resembles a bit to that. They
moved in the Western (sphere of) influence, did not paid attention
to extra cooperation with the Kurdish nation, did not establish
basics. To a certain extent, this short-sighted behavior has led
to their decline. For now, the necessary things which we have to
do are that (the bad experiences of the past) easily can be removed
(forgotten) from the history. I feel sorry for your current situation
that you became refugee. I see that you have even like the Armenians
left your fatherland. What is left of them is that their culture and
history is still remained there
As far as I know there are around 5.000-10.000 persons more or less
left in the Eastern Kurdistan. An important part of those stayed
behind run away after 12th of October. Lately we made a call to
return back to their villages. In Hakkaria, where the villages were
evacuated, we sent them immediately back. We revolted against the
village-defenders, who had entered the villages around Midyat, (and)
committed various killings.
(Note translators: village-defenders were Kurds paid by government
to protect the villages against the PKK)
In reality there are but a very few of you left. You are living here
(Syria), you of course understand your situation much better than
I do. Those (Syrians) living in Syria, Lebanon lately have carried
our more bit activities, I believe however they did not gain any
step further.
Page 16, Column 3
The movement of rapprochement is also becoming visible. I wonder,
what possible we can do together? It is important to think about
this. From the beginning, I had experience. No matter how small the
requirements might be, even how small the hope might de, we still
should not be discouraged. Our movement is an example of this. For
years I struggled alone, but at this moment the PKK achieved such a
level that it is undefeatable.
We want you also to contribute to this / to become a part of it. This
would give evidence of your reliability. We are ready for that and
are eager to see that (from your side). We also want to help when you
return back to your villages. We are ready to do everything possible
we can.
Yes, I don´t know exactly, what is your real requirement, what
is the status / structure of the organization (to be established),
this issues I wish to here from you.
(Note translators: With this remark Mr. Ocalan is referring to the
sister organization of the PKK, namely Gabo´D´Hiruto D´Bethnahrin
(GHB), or Bethnahrin Freedom party, established by PKK/ADO after
their return from Syria to Germany).
A.D.O: We wish to thank you for these nice words we heard. We
expect that you inform us more about acute matters. We also wish a
comprehensive explanation about matters connected to the PKK. We want
now to tell you something about ourselves.
Our organization, the Assyrian Democratic Organization, is established
in 1957. It was established in our homeland, Mesopotamia. The first
goal and reason of the establishment of our organization was to make
known the history of our people and to unify our people. The history
of our people starts 4000 BC in Mesopotamia. Our people were living
in four different centers in Mesopotamia. These were Akkad, Sumer,
Babel and Assur.
Chairman APO: They all are one people?
ADO: Yes, they all are one people. They were Assyrians, according to
our few, it is like this.
Page16, Column 4
Some historians say this: "The origin of Sumerians was not Mesopotamia,
they came from somewhere else". We view this issue in different
way. One of the oldest people are Sumerians, the first kingdom was
established in the land of Sumeria. From the capital city Sumeria all
the area of Beynilnehreyn (Mesopotamia) was ruled. The cities Akkad,
Babel and Assur were excluded from this.
Our view on the history is as follows: The capital city Sumer was
followed by Babel and after Babel finally the power came in the capital
city Assur where it was continued. They followed each other. It does
not means they were separated from each other. They shared the same
culture and civilization.
The peoples of these different cities of Mesopotamia were the
children of Assyrians. The kingdom of Assur lasted longer than its
predecessors. The civilization of Assur included all these cultures
in itself and represented them. Exercising the power over the kingdom
from different capital cities is not important to us. We believe it
is the same people.
The fall of Babel took place in 539 BC by the attack of
Persians. Although after this, the people revolted from time to
time, all this it failed, without victory. They continuously were
defeated. From that moment on, until our days this people is considered
as Assyrian people. It is known in the world and we also see like that.
When the Macedonian Alexander the Great came to the region in the
year 333 BC, he knew this people as Assyrian people. (Because in Greek
alphabet, there is no letter "Å~_" (= Sh), they were called A-syrians
"Asyrians" and after a while this became "Asiryan" and than "Syrian").
(Note translators: This is known as the "missing- A" trick. By claiming
that the letter "A" was lost in "Assyrian", it was shortened to
"Syrian" and by this trick they claim all the "Syrians" are Assyrians.)
Chairman APO: Is it like that? Did the Greek say like that and meaning
of this is "Assyrian"?
Page 16, Column 5
A.D.O: The word Syrian also originates form here.
Chairman APO: Like the word "Syrian" originates from here, also the
word "Syria" originates from here.
A.D.O: In Syriac language we still call the Syrian people "Esoryoye".
(Note translators: In Turkish the pronunciation of "E" is comparable
to the English "a" in ´back´.)
Until 1500 AD., we wrote as Esoryoye, after this it became "Soryoye",
that is to say Syrian. The Arabs called as also "Asiryan". This
people became culturally and linguistically known as Syrians. This
change does not mean that it is a different people. The old name is
´Assyrians´ and later it became ´Syrians´,
Chairman APO: That is to say, change in words...
A.D.O: We know that after the coming of Jesus, our people almost
completely together accepted the Christendom. Our church adapted the
name Syrian Church. Those Syrians living Mesopotamia, in Northern and
Southern Mesopotamia, all of them belonged to more or less the same
church. The unity within our people attracted the attention of Rome,
they started to doubt about them.
According to them, under this condition in the future, even if they
stayed under the influence of the church, a situation would become
into being for the Syrian that their power would increase. This could
cause the separation of Syrians from the Roman Empire.
Chairman APO: That is to say, this would take place via the Church,
right?
A.D.O: Yes, via the church.
Chairman APO: This means that this church is bit an opponent of Rome?
A.D.O: It is understood in that way. Via the Church one would have
separated from Byzantines and started to unify.
Chairman APO: As I understand, in these difficult times the Syrian
Church became very large. Before the Church of Rome was officially
established, the Syrian Church already was established and was
extending. Can we understand like that?
A.D.O: That is true. Firstly, what has caused us the most damage was
anyway at the times that Byzantines and Romans officially accepted
Christianity. This persecution was worsened under the cover of
Christianity.
Chairman APO: I want to say something here; in that case actually
the Syrian Church should in a way struggle against Rome for
liberation. When they officially adapted the faith, they subsequently
damaged it.
A.D.O: Anyhow, this was the biggest cause. The Assyrians didn´t feel
the necessity of such liberation movement. Thereafter they started
to divide the Christianity in denominations.
Chairman APO: They have divided.
A.D.O: Yes. The East - Syrians (Nestorians) and West - Syrians
(Jacobites) were divided among themselves.
Page16, Column 6
Chairman APO.: Where is the centre of Nestorians currently?
ADO: In general the Nestorians lived in Upper- Mesopotamia. In the
north of Kurdistan they were living in Hakkaria and surroundings.
Until now, our traitors not only have caused severe damage to their
own nation, but also damaged the people who lived amongst us. This
people should certainly in no way be connected with the Kurdish people.
The majority of Jacobites were living in Nusaybin, Mardin, Urfa and
province of Diyarbekir.
Chairman APO: Were the Jacobits more cultivated?
ADO: The most important here is that the Byzantines have divided
them in two parties and damaged their unity. The north of Nusaybin,
the Upper - Mesopotamia, came under the dominion of Persians, the
provinces situated in the Western Mesopotamia came under the dominion
of Byzantines.
Chairman APO: Also the Kurds have similar situation, the same story.
ADO: The biggest division of the Syrian took place in 500 AD. After
the advent and the extend of the Islam around 700, this again took
place. To be liberated form the persecutions of Byzantines and
Persians, the Syrians stretched the hand of peace to the Islamic
Arabs. With their choice in favor of Arabic - Islamists, they thought
their situation would improve. The lands belonged to our people like
Bagdad, Babel, Ceylanpınar (Serê Kehniyê, Resuleyın), Tur Abdin
(Midyat surroundings) was opened to the Arabs without war and on
the basis of peace. With the help of Arabs our people recovered
a bit their breath. That is to say, this recovering of breath was
delivered by Arabs to our people. Much more under the Muslim Arabs
than under Persians and Byzantines the Christian Syrians enjoyed
(peace and) quite.
Chairman APO: Does Islam know freedom?, interesting.
ADO: In the beginning it was like that, later it starts to change. The
Arabs who in that time came to the region promised Syrians that they
would harm them in no way. The Syrians paid more attention to the
expansion of their culture and civilization. They worked on every
field of science, to the astronomy. In those times there were even
university and academy in Nusaybin (Kenneshrin), Ruha (Urfa) and Mardin
(Deyr Ul Zahfaran monastery).
Chairman APO: There was academy in Nusabin. And in Ruha, university.
ADO: We say Kennishrin and Urhoy. Kennishrin means in Syriac "The
Eagles´ nest".
Note
Picture: Urhoy - Edessa Osrhoene - Urfa, a leading Aramaean capital
and centyer of Knowledge, Science, Art, Religion and Philosophy.
Abgar VIII first sided with the Romans, who proceeded in 195 to
liberate their eastern ally Nisibis, but returned to Edessa when it
turned out that Osrhoene had revolted.
The events are shown on the triumphal Arch of Septimius Severus at
the Roman forum.
We can see how Edessa is attacked with siege engines (bottom) and
Abgar surrenders (central scene).
In the upper register, we see how Septimius Severus announces the
annexation of Osrhoene and Nisibis. Abgar was pardoned and continued
to rule until 212, although a procurator was to supervise his
acts. Osrhoenians served as archers and cataphracts in the Roman army.
--Boundary_(ID_3xIrR17WVKZqrWLBNh/yww)--
Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis
American Chronicle
www.americanchronicle.com/articles/75200
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
CA
In three previous articles, we revealed several recent aspects
of the Anglo-French colonial involvement (by means of gullible
local proxies) in parts of the Asiatic Middle East inhabited by
the Aramaean Nation, which after three (3) millennia of existence
became the target of Western European colonial policies. ("the Ongoing
Aramaean Genocide, the Fabricated Pseudo-Assyrian Nation, and Kurdish
Terrorists" / http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/74834;
& quot;Looming End of Oriental Christianity: Unholy Alliance
of ´Kurdish´ Terrorists with Pseudo-Assyrians" /
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/74953; ´Anti-Christian
Unholy Alliance: the Forged "Assyrian" Pseudo-Nation and the PKK
Terrorists´ / http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/75010).
Under the auspices of the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge which controls
the colonial establishments of France and England, a ´holy alliance´
has been forged between the terrorist "Kurdish" organization PKK
(practically speaking a construction of the French secret services)
and the ´Assyrianist´ organizations of the Aramaeans. This further
endangers the survival of the Aramaean Nation, either the nationally
integral and conscious Aramaeans or the disoriented and bamboozled
´Assyrianists´.
In this article, we will continue the re-publication of the
insightful research which was first published in the Aramaean website
www.aranmahrin.org. More particularly, we republish translated
(by the Aram Nahrin team - from Turkish) excerpts from the Kurdish
newspaper Berxwedan that relate to discussions (lit. proceedings
of a meeting held on 22.4.1993) between the "chairman" APO of the
terrorist organization PKK and the board of Assyrian Democratic
Organization. The brusque falsification of the Ancient and Christian
History of Mesopotamia became apparently the foundation on which the
two terrorist organizations intended to base their effort for another
Hell in the multi-divided region. We will complete the present series
in a forthcoming article.
Translation of Berxwedan
After we provided you with general background information which we
felt was important, we present below to you the complete translation
of the PKK newspaper Berxwedan of 15 June 1993.
The newspaper Berxwedan was published in Turkey. The language used
is not the standard Turkish as spoken in Ankara and Istanbul. The
grammar is bad. In spite of the good knowledge of the members of the
translation team, yet it was sometimes quite a challenge to translate
some parts.
Therefore we are infinitely grateful to the team of translators who
scarified their time and energy to translate as good as possible the
newspaper. The left column is the original Turkish text and right
column is the translated text in English. We also have made a high
resolution A3-scan of the original newspaper, so that the reader
may download to read it or to compare with the typed text of the
left column.
Kurdish Newspaper Berxwedan of 15 June 1993, Page 16
(Please click on the scan below to download the high-resolution scan
of page 16 or to read it online)
Page 16, Column 1
We report on the meeting took place on 22.4.1993 between Chairman
APO and the board of Assyrian Democratic Organization.
(Note: APO is nickname for Abdullah Ocalan).
Chairman APO: You are one of oldest peoples of Kurdistan. The
cooperation between the Kurds and the Assyrians is again oldest one
in the history. This was also a little bit with Armenians. However the
cooperation between the Kurds and the Assyrians was more intense. Until
today one gets confused: why did these people became strangers to one
another, drifted apart. Undoubtedly, the faith is one of the reasons.
However one of the most important reason little bit also the dominating
era of the Turkish - Ottoman Empire of Sultanate and/or the era of
republic. They crushed the peoples and set them against each other
as well. Some of these peoples were moved from the place where the
lived. Perhaps the Kurds did not die, yet they became in a situation
which is worse than the death.
With the Assyrians it seems obviously that it was polished off a
bit in quite. Of course, they considerable set the Kurdish leaders,
Sheiks against them. The treacherous rulers who ruled the Kurds and
Kurdistan have brought you and Armenians in this thorny situation.
In that time we had this kind of traitors and today they are still
who caused us severe damage. With this (people) we are completely in
combat. The last war in southeastern (of Turkey) is a continuation
of that. That is to say, this is little bit connected with the fact
that these issues in the past have been neglected. When a nation does
not enjoy freedom, its neighbors will also have no freedom.
It seems to be like this, that the extent of subjection of that
nation, being neglected by the world, this also became the fate
of its neighbors. That is to say, the bad situation of the Kurdish
people, explains to my opinion also clearly the bad situation of the
neighboring peoples.
Again, the situation you now find yourself in, explains our bad
situation. The solution is this: the peoples will only have freedom;
in particular the nations living among each others, if they themselves
fight for their rights, otherwise the world will also not recognize
them. I believe that the struggle of PKK is not the struggle of
the Kurds only. The intention was little bit the liberation of all
Kurds. As I just said before, the increase of the strength of our
struggle was meant that the existed cultures and their owners should
have had liberated.
Page 16, Column 2
You have a very important place in the history. Your case is very
intense interrelated with the Kurdish reality of the past. To my
opinion, the Armenians made a mistake in the history by relaying on
closed nationalism. The Ottoman Empire misused this very badly by
inciting the Hamadiye armies against them and they lost.
(Note of the translators: Hamidiye was a Turkish army unit consisted
out of only the Kurds, established by Sultan Abdul Hamid, hence the
name "Hamidye". )
A wrong strategy. This (partly) also by moving a bit in the
direction of Europe. However as for Europe, their interests are above
everything. If necessary, they also will sacrifice nations. However,
if the Armenians paid attention to unity with the Kurds, would have
worked together for common liberation, for sure their situation would
not have been like that.
The struggle of Assyrians (Syrians) resembles a bit to that. They
moved in the Western (sphere of) influence, did not paid attention
to extra cooperation with the Kurdish nation, did not establish
basics. To a certain extent, this short-sighted behavior has led
to their decline. For now, the necessary things which we have to
do are that (the bad experiences of the past) easily can be removed
(forgotten) from the history. I feel sorry for your current situation
that you became refugee. I see that you have even like the Armenians
left your fatherland. What is left of them is that their culture and
history is still remained there
As far as I know there are around 5.000-10.000 persons more or less
left in the Eastern Kurdistan. An important part of those stayed
behind run away after 12th of October. Lately we made a call to
return back to their villages. In Hakkaria, where the villages were
evacuated, we sent them immediately back. We revolted against the
village-defenders, who had entered the villages around Midyat, (and)
committed various killings.
(Note translators: village-defenders were Kurds paid by government
to protect the villages against the PKK)
In reality there are but a very few of you left. You are living here
(Syria), you of course understand your situation much better than
I do. Those (Syrians) living in Syria, Lebanon lately have carried
our more bit activities, I believe however they did not gain any
step further.
Page 16, Column 3
The movement of rapprochement is also becoming visible. I wonder,
what possible we can do together? It is important to think about
this. From the beginning, I had experience. No matter how small the
requirements might be, even how small the hope might de, we still
should not be discouraged. Our movement is an example of this. For
years I struggled alone, but at this moment the PKK achieved such a
level that it is undefeatable.
We want you also to contribute to this / to become a part of it. This
would give evidence of your reliability. We are ready for that and
are eager to see that (from your side). We also want to help when you
return back to your villages. We are ready to do everything possible
we can.
Yes, I don´t know exactly, what is your real requirement, what
is the status / structure of the organization (to be established),
this issues I wish to here from you.
(Note translators: With this remark Mr. Ocalan is referring to the
sister organization of the PKK, namely Gabo´D´Hiruto D´Bethnahrin
(GHB), or Bethnahrin Freedom party, established by PKK/ADO after
their return from Syria to Germany).
A.D.O: We wish to thank you for these nice words we heard. We
expect that you inform us more about acute matters. We also wish a
comprehensive explanation about matters connected to the PKK. We want
now to tell you something about ourselves.
Our organization, the Assyrian Democratic Organization, is established
in 1957. It was established in our homeland, Mesopotamia. The first
goal and reason of the establishment of our organization was to make
known the history of our people and to unify our people. The history
of our people starts 4000 BC in Mesopotamia. Our people were living
in four different centers in Mesopotamia. These were Akkad, Sumer,
Babel and Assur.
Chairman APO: They all are one people?
ADO: Yes, they all are one people. They were Assyrians, according to
our few, it is like this.
Page16, Column 4
Some historians say this: "The origin of Sumerians was not Mesopotamia,
they came from somewhere else". We view this issue in different
way. One of the oldest people are Sumerians, the first kingdom was
established in the land of Sumeria. From the capital city Sumeria all
the area of Beynilnehreyn (Mesopotamia) was ruled. The cities Akkad,
Babel and Assur were excluded from this.
Our view on the history is as follows: The capital city Sumer was
followed by Babel and after Babel finally the power came in the capital
city Assur where it was continued. They followed each other. It does
not means they were separated from each other. They shared the same
culture and civilization.
The peoples of these different cities of Mesopotamia were the
children of Assyrians. The kingdom of Assur lasted longer than its
predecessors. The civilization of Assur included all these cultures
in itself and represented them. Exercising the power over the kingdom
from different capital cities is not important to us. We believe it
is the same people.
The fall of Babel took place in 539 BC by the attack of
Persians. Although after this, the people revolted from time to
time, all this it failed, without victory. They continuously were
defeated. From that moment on, until our days this people is considered
as Assyrian people. It is known in the world and we also see like that.
When the Macedonian Alexander the Great came to the region in the
year 333 BC, he knew this people as Assyrian people. (Because in Greek
alphabet, there is no letter "Å~_" (= Sh), they were called A-syrians
"Asyrians" and after a while this became "Asiryan" and than "Syrian").
(Note translators: This is known as the "missing- A" trick. By claiming
that the letter "A" was lost in "Assyrian", it was shortened to
"Syrian" and by this trick they claim all the "Syrians" are Assyrians.)
Chairman APO: Is it like that? Did the Greek say like that and meaning
of this is "Assyrian"?
Page 16, Column 5
A.D.O: The word Syrian also originates form here.
Chairman APO: Like the word "Syrian" originates from here, also the
word "Syria" originates from here.
A.D.O: In Syriac language we still call the Syrian people "Esoryoye".
(Note translators: In Turkish the pronunciation of "E" is comparable
to the English "a" in ´back´.)
Until 1500 AD., we wrote as Esoryoye, after this it became "Soryoye",
that is to say Syrian. The Arabs called as also "Asiryan". This
people became culturally and linguistically known as Syrians. This
change does not mean that it is a different people. The old name is
´Assyrians´ and later it became ´Syrians´,
Chairman APO: That is to say, change in words...
A.D.O: We know that after the coming of Jesus, our people almost
completely together accepted the Christendom. Our church adapted the
name Syrian Church. Those Syrians living Mesopotamia, in Northern and
Southern Mesopotamia, all of them belonged to more or less the same
church. The unity within our people attracted the attention of Rome,
they started to doubt about them.
According to them, under this condition in the future, even if they
stayed under the influence of the church, a situation would become
into being for the Syrian that their power would increase. This could
cause the separation of Syrians from the Roman Empire.
Chairman APO: That is to say, this would take place via the Church,
right?
A.D.O: Yes, via the church.
Chairman APO: This means that this church is bit an opponent of Rome?
A.D.O: It is understood in that way. Via the Church one would have
separated from Byzantines and started to unify.
Chairman APO: As I understand, in these difficult times the Syrian
Church became very large. Before the Church of Rome was officially
established, the Syrian Church already was established and was
extending. Can we understand like that?
A.D.O: That is true. Firstly, what has caused us the most damage was
anyway at the times that Byzantines and Romans officially accepted
Christianity. This persecution was worsened under the cover of
Christianity.
Chairman APO: I want to say something here; in that case actually
the Syrian Church should in a way struggle against Rome for
liberation. When they officially adapted the faith, they subsequently
damaged it.
A.D.O: Anyhow, this was the biggest cause. The Assyrians didn´t feel
the necessity of such liberation movement. Thereafter they started
to divide the Christianity in denominations.
Chairman APO: They have divided.
A.D.O: Yes. The East - Syrians (Nestorians) and West - Syrians
(Jacobites) were divided among themselves.
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Chairman APO.: Where is the centre of Nestorians currently?
ADO: In general the Nestorians lived in Upper- Mesopotamia. In the
north of Kurdistan they were living in Hakkaria and surroundings.
Until now, our traitors not only have caused severe damage to their
own nation, but also damaged the people who lived amongst us. This
people should certainly in no way be connected with the Kurdish people.
The majority of Jacobites were living in Nusaybin, Mardin, Urfa and
province of Diyarbekir.
Chairman APO: Were the Jacobits more cultivated?
ADO: The most important here is that the Byzantines have divided
them in two parties and damaged their unity. The north of Nusaybin,
the Upper - Mesopotamia, came under the dominion of Persians, the
provinces situated in the Western Mesopotamia came under the dominion
of Byzantines.
Chairman APO: Also the Kurds have similar situation, the same story.
ADO: The biggest division of the Syrian took place in 500 AD. After
the advent and the extend of the Islam around 700, this again took
place. To be liberated form the persecutions of Byzantines and
Persians, the Syrians stretched the hand of peace to the Islamic
Arabs. With their choice in favor of Arabic - Islamists, they thought
their situation would improve. The lands belonged to our people like
Bagdad, Babel, Ceylanpınar (Serê Kehniyê, Resuleyın), Tur Abdin
(Midyat surroundings) was opened to the Arabs without war and on
the basis of peace. With the help of Arabs our people recovered
a bit their breath. That is to say, this recovering of breath was
delivered by Arabs to our people. Much more under the Muslim Arabs
than under Persians and Byzantines the Christian Syrians enjoyed
(peace and) quite.
Chairman APO: Does Islam know freedom?, interesting.
ADO: In the beginning it was like that, later it starts to change. The
Arabs who in that time came to the region promised Syrians that they
would harm them in no way. The Syrians paid more attention to the
expansion of their culture and civilization. They worked on every
field of science, to the astronomy. In those times there were even
university and academy in Nusaybin (Kenneshrin), Ruha (Urfa) and Mardin
(Deyr Ul Zahfaran monastery).
Chairman APO: There was academy in Nusabin. And in Ruha, university.
ADO: We say Kennishrin and Urhoy. Kennishrin means in Syriac "The
Eagles´ nest".
Note
Picture: Urhoy - Edessa Osrhoene - Urfa, a leading Aramaean capital
and centyer of Knowledge, Science, Art, Religion and Philosophy.
Abgar VIII first sided with the Romans, who proceeded in 195 to
liberate their eastern ally Nisibis, but returned to Edessa when it
turned out that Osrhoene had revolted.
The events are shown on the triumphal Arch of Septimius Severus at
the Roman forum.
We can see how Edessa is attacked with siege engines (bottom) and
Abgar surrenders (central scene).
In the upper register, we see how Septimius Severus announces the
annexation of Osrhoene and Nisibis. Abgar was pardoned and continued
to rule until 212, although a procurator was to supervise his
acts. Osrhoenians served as archers and cataphracts in the Roman army.
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