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    'ARMENIANS' EXCESSIVE AGGRESSION SOMEHOW CREATED A CONSCIOUSNESS OF ARMENIAN ISSUE IN TURKEY'

    Journal of Turkish Weekly
    Feb 23 2009
    Turkey

    Laciner: "Armenians' Excessive Aggression Somehow Created a
    Consciousness of Armenian Issue in Turkey which did not exist before."

    * Interview with Assoc. Prof. Dr. Sedat Laciner, Director of the
    Ankara-based Turkish think tank USAK (International Strategic Research
    Organization) by Dilek AYDEMIR (JTW)

    Q: Armenian Diaspora has been trying to impose their allegations on
    genocide to Turkey for decades. Do you think Diaspora will succeed
    in their cause?

    SL: "First, I think Armenian Diaspora is trying to take revenge from
    Turkey more than imposing anything on it. Second, they protect their
    Armenian identity via keeping the sorrows and hostilities of the
    past alive. To analyze the first one, the sincerity of the Armenian
    Diaspora is questionable in claiming their cause. Modestly speaking,
    I do not personally believe that Armenian Diaspora aims to impose
    something on Turkey. If their aim was to pressure Turkey to accept
    their allegations on 1915 events, they could have achieved this until
    now. I am not sure if Turkish people or the State would use the word
    "genocide' to describe the 1915 events, however, they would have
    accepted the misdeeds conducted in these events. When you talk to
    ultra-nationalist Armenians, they say that Turkey's denial of its
    misdeeds in 1915 events is what frustrates them most. According to
    this ultra-nationalist approach, Turkey's denial of the allegations is
    a worse crime than its causing the death of many Armenians and sorrow
    of them. To understand the trauma caused by the sorrow of Armenians
    and Turks' ignorance of the issue should not be that hard. Healing the
    trauma caused by 1915 events is only possible through communicating
    with Turkish people. Yet, the Armenian side seems like trying to
    keep the wounds open and intensify the trauma instead of easing
    the wounds. I am not sure if this stance is intentional or it is
    a reflexive one. However, it is certain that nationalist Armenian
    Diaspora neither tries to persuade Turkey to see its "wrongs', nor
    it tries to heal the wounds of Armenian nationalism and identity."

    Q: What are the problematic aspects of Diaspora's Turkey approach?

    SL: "First of all, the Diaspora is trying to persuade Turkey without
    communicating it. Moreover, Diaspora only targets Turkey. When you
    just bother one without communication, it is meaningless to wait for
    mutual understanding. Aggression is commonly followed by the defense
    and counter-aggression of the targeted one. As long as Armenians
    keep bothering Turkey like this, Turks will try to defend themselves,
    and even prepare themselves for a counter-act. Armenians' excessive
    aggression towards Turkish State and Turks has somehow created a
    consciousness of Armenian Issue among Turkish people in Turkey and
    overseas which did not exist before. Armenians like to make Turks
    living especially in Europe and in North America a part of the Armenian
    Issue without making any differentiation between them. For instance,
    a Turkish worker in Germany, a Turkish art history student in France or
    a Turkish deputy candidate in Netherlands, who are totally irrelevant
    persons to the topic, can be target of Armenian lobbies. Armenian
    Diaspora's anti-Turkey activities not merely damage the interests of
    Turkish State, but also harm the interests of people of Turkish origin
    no matter where they live. For instance, numerous Turkish people have
    developed a curiosity towards the Armenian Issue just after Armenians'
    enduring allegations. Moreover, these people gained more nationalistic
    views than they had before. Armenians' efforts to persuade Turkey
    on the issue have not produce solutions until now. On the contrary,
    these efforts have somehow marginalized Turkey to an extent which is
    not favorable for Armenians. Maybe the most significant characteristic
    of Turkey, which Armenians need to understand, is that Turkey cannot
    be persuaded on any political matter merely through use of power or
    threats. Several states have attempted to use this way before, however,
    they have failed to succeed. For instance, Stalin's taming policy
    towards Turkey by threatening and blackmailing resulted in Turkey's
    NATO membership. Moreover, US's and EU's menacing approaches on Cyprus,
    Greece and Armenian Issues turned out conversely. Forcing countries
    like Turkey, Russia or France, which are highly sensitive to their
    national pride, to accept some policies using threats and blackmailing
    is not possible. Such an approach even can create unintended negative
    consequences which are not beneficial for the policy makers as it
    was in the Armenian Issue. As Armenians' anti-Turkey campaigns got
    harsher, Turkey's attitude became more disagreeable in accordance.

    Another mortal wrong in the Armenian strategy regarding the issue
    is Armenians' seeking for backing of other countries. This approach
    is a disease of Armenian nationalism. Armenian nationalists, who
    witnessed numerous Christian minorities' gaining of independence
    with the support of Russia and other Western states in 19th century,
    planned a similar independence for Armenia. In this perspective,
    Armenian separatist nationalists were encouraged by France, Russia,
    England and United States and were mostly backed by these countries
    as well. Yet, it became very clear by the end of the World War I
    that the great powers of the age sought their own advantages more
    than Armenians', contrary to what was expected. Moreover, in these
    years Armenians were left alone by these states almost in every uneasy
    situation. For instance, France promised Armenians for an independent
    state in Cilicia, thus France could reduce its loses in the World
    War I with the help of Armenian Legion while debilitating the Ottoman
    State from inside at the same time. However, when Turks had started to
    gain significant success against France, France left Armenians alone
    while being the first occupier to leave the Turkish territory. Likely,
    Russians had ignored Armenians' benefits to get along with Turkey and
    they never considered Armenians unless Armenian interests served to
    theirs. There are many instances that Armenians were used as a tool
    for the benefits of great powers in the history. It is a fact that
    when Armenians and Turks are compared in terms of their economic,
    political and military possessing, Armenians compose an inconsiderable
    group for the great powers. If a great power prefers to better its
    relations with Armenians instead of Turks, it should be noted that
    this power aims to debilitate Turks and to create instability in
    Turkish state more than trying to please Armenians. Great powers can
    sometimes camouflage their easy aims with higher political, religious
    or humanitarian values. However, almost 200 years old Armenian case
    presents that Russia and Western powers' supports of Armenians has
    never been constant nor this support has considered Armenian benefits
    directly. Unless Armenians stop dreaming to debilitate Turkey with the
    help of backings of the other countries, they cannot have a powerful
    and stable state and strong regional relations. As it is widely known,
    this simple fact was underlined by the first president of the Armenia
    Levon Ter-Petrossian as well. Petrossian and his team, who realized
    that Russia's backing of Armenia debilitates Armenia instead of solving
    the regional disputes, tried to enhance Armenia's own power instead of
    seeking foreign support. Yet, Petrossian's approach, which could be
    considered as the milestone of modern Armenian history, was hampered
    by Russia and Diaspora radicals unfortunately."

    Q: Why Armenian Diaspora behaves in this way?

    SL: "First of all, the Diaspora lives in an imaginary world and it
    has marginalized from the reality of Armenian Issue as the years
    passed by. When we focus on the second and third generations, we see
    that they hate Turks more than the Armenians who witnessed the 1915
    events. Moreover, we also know that there are numerous Armenians who
    still have a deep love of Turkey although they experienced emigration
    and other conflicts in the Ottoman State. Since young generations
    neither know Turks personally nor they take the problem rationally,
    they are angrier of Turks than their ancestors. Moreover, many of
    them are even full of hatred against Turks. Especially in Diaspora,
    Armenian generations are imposed with hatred against Turks in churches,
    schools or camps of radical political parties. 1915 events are written
    and rewritten more emotionally in the Diaspora every day by being
    more exaggerated at the same time.

    Armenians' stateless position for long years can be considered as
    the primary reason of this situation. State means responsibility
    which prevents masses from being marginalized and from following
    superficial paths which do not fit reality. Armenians stayed stateless
    until 1991 and they carried a stateless nationalism in the Diaspora for
    approximately 70 years. Another negative effect of statelessness is the
    immature development of the Armenian identity and lack of fulfillment
    of nationalistic tendencies through legitimate ways. Another threat
    of statelessness is the assimilation. Even today, greater numbers
    of Armenians live in Diaspora than the numbers of Armenians live in
    Armenia. Many of the Armenians scattered around Canada, Latin America,
    Russia and France. Moreover, Diaspora Armenians come from diverse
    cultural backgrounds as well. Some of these Diaspora Armenians
    come from Russia and Armenia, some from Iran and Arab countries,
    and some from Anatolia. Thus, their cultures and even languages are
    sometimes differ from each other significantly. Hence, collecting such
    a scattered society under an umbrella identity is really tough. Church
    and some Diaspora institutions saw Turkish- Armenian problems as a
    cure to heal this inefficiency.

    In other words, Armenian cause has long been considered as a cement
    to protect Armenians from assimilation and to keep them together in
    Diaspora. Approaching the issue from this perspective should not
    be understood as an underestimation of the problems between Turks
    and Armenians. There had been major problems between Turks and
    Armenians and Diaspora's abuse of these problems -deliberately or
    notÃ~C¢ââ~@~Z&# xC2;¬" does not reduce the significance of these problems."

    Q: Do you believe there is an industry over Armenian Genocide?

    SL: "Yes, that's true. Many get political and economic benefits from
    Armenian cause in Diaspora. Numerous people have become well-known,
    strong or rich thanks to Armenian cause. Maybe these changes are not
    even premeditated. As a matter of fact, the most dangerous aspect
    of the issue is these unintended consequences of the issue. Strong
    reflexes came about in the process and these reflexes helped to
    existence of the problem more than solving it."

    Q: What are the wrongs of Turkish side?

    SL: "When a problem is scattered around a century, people, who derive
    benefit from this handicap, occur in two sides in tandem. In other
    words, industry over Armenian Issue is not only present in the
    Armenian party of the dispute but also it is at hand in Turkish
    side as well. In Turkish side, this industry is composed of less
    numbers of people and it is much more political than it is in the
    Armenian side. With the multiparty regime, an ideological group
    arose as a result of their fear of losing their interests. This
    group manipulated the governments by speculating upon threats
    that Turkey was witnessing and it even withdrew the governments
    via military coups. Since May 27 military coup, there has been an
    interior conflict between the elected representatives of Turkish
    people and a militarist group. When Turkish democracy got stronger
    and economic-social-political pluralism was enhanced, the militarist
    cadre lost its power before the representatives of the state. Thus,
    this militarist cadre sought for collaboration with nationalist-right
    and ultra-nationalist left, moreover, it manipulated the Kurdish Issue,
    Cyprus Issue, relations with neighbors, European Union process and
    Armenian Issue mostly. In other words, endurance of Armenian Issue
    was employed as a tool to hamper democratization in Turkey and some
    paid efforts to make it unsolvable."

    Q: What are the other faults of Turkey considering the issue?

    SL: "Maybe Turkey's most significant fault on the issue is the
    ignorance of Armenian Issue for a long time. Until a Turkish
    ambassador's assassination in 1973, even finding a book on the topic
    was impossible in Turkey. Afterwards, Turkey perceived issue as a
    state problem and a few number of books appeared with the support
    of Turkish state. As ASALA and Tashnak terrorists assassinated
    numerous numbers of Turkish ambassadors, Turkey started to share
    special budgets for the solution of the disputes over Armenian
    allegations. However, that date was a bit late for a concrete
    solution and the state backed studies and researches were weak
    and skin-deep considering the complexity of the issue. Especially
    during September 12 period, in which army withdrew the government,
    numerous studies on the issue was published in Turkey. These books
    were sent to many libraries in the world as well. However, many of
    these books were borrowed by fanatic Armenians and were never brought
    back. Moreover some pro-Turkish books were destroyed as a result of
    fanatic Armenian readers' vandalism. Nevertheless, if Turkey could
    take the issue apart from a state problem and could set universities
    and civil society into action, it could be much more successful in
    handling the issue. While approaching the issue from this perspective,
    I do not mean "Turkey failed in its propaganda. It should have gone
    further.' It is certain that Turkey's approach to the Armenian Issue
    is ineffective and this is not that favorable for Armenians as it
    is expected. Turkey's presentation of its stance modestly would help
    the solution of the problem in depth."

    Q: When Turkey's approach to issue is considered, how would Turkey
    can help the solution of the problem?

    SL: "There are basically three significant aspects of the issue
    to which Turkey can contribute directly. Democratization, full
    membership to the European Union, and more dialogue with neighbors
    including Armenia and Armenians are these aspects. When Turkey is
    more democratized, the militarist groups, who get benefit from the
    unsolvable situation of the Armenian Issue, will leave the government,
    EU process will accelerate and the relations with other neighbors
    including Armenia will better accordingly. Indeed, all three stages
    will affect and help each other in tandem.

    Interestingly enough, Armenians have tried to hamper Turkey's EU
    process via manipulating the Armenian Issue."

    Q: What are the possible solutions to the problems from the Armenian?

    SL: "What should Armenians do was analyzed very well by Hrant
    Dink, Turkish Armenian journalist, who was martyred by the Turkish
    deep state. For Dink, first thing that Armenians need to do was
    to end the hostility towards Turks which moves like a poison in
    their veins. Armenians' accusation of Turkey for anything goes
    bad was not only wrong but also dangerous for Dink. As he assumed,
    numerous problems of Armenians were shadowed by the excuse of Turkish
    threat. Hrant Dink's second suggestion for Armenians was that Armenians
    needed to focus on maintaining stability in their country instead of
    keeping the hostility towards Turkish people alive. Dink also used
    to think that Armenians gained their independence after longing for
    years thus maintaining stability and gaining power was hard as well as
    survival of the Armenian State. Moreover, Dink believed that unless
    Armenians collaborate, keeping the Armenian State alive was not that
    easy. To sum up, only if Armenians end the hostility towards Turkey,
    which poisons their blood, they can reach a common ground in Turkish-
    Armenian relations."

    Q: Do you have further suggestions on the topic?

    SL: "First of all, parties should change the communication language
    that they are using. If you employ a way of communication which is
    highly offensive, you will possibly receive an offensive expression
    from whom you address.

    Second, if you aim to impress the party who you are addressing, and
    want to express yourself, you need to talk to him/her. Whenever Turkey
    demands a communication to talk about the allegations, Armenian side
    says "There is nothing to talk on, yet, just accept your misdeeds'. I
    call this stance as "shut up and accept' mood. To clarify, trying
    to impose some policies without listening other is not an acceptable
    approach in international relations. Such a stance would be at least
    "rude'. Thus, whatever their beliefs and allegations are, the parties
    should consider each others' opinions and they also need to follow
    international relations rhetoric and be polite as well."
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