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    IS THERE A RIFT BETWEEN GREECE AND THE FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF "MACEDONIA" ON ALEXANDER?

    American Chronicle
    http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/11 2014
    July 28 2009

    Miltiades Elia Bolaris July 28, 2009 On a Washington Post article,

    ("Another Rift Between Greece, Macedonia, Both Lay Claim to Alexander
    the Great", July 28, 2009) Craig Whitlock is intend on sending us
    scrambling back to our History books. Should we be talking about
    Alexandros o Megas or Aleksandar Veliki? Was he Greek or was he
    Slavic? I will let the reader do their own reading and research. Any
    encyclopaedia, in any language, anywhere in the world, except for
    the ones published in the former Yugoslav republic will be fine.

    Mr. Whitlock is correctly pointing out that Alexander's "cult of
    personality is just starting to grip this tiny Balkan country",
    speaking of FYROM, informing us that among other childish actions that
    the government in Skopje is doing to annoy the Greeks is the erection
    of "a 72-foot-tall marble colossus of Alexander astride his favorite
    warhorse, Bucephalus, which will dominate the skyline of the capital,
    Skopje". Our information is that it is actually a bronze statue, not
    marble, but the rest is correct: Greeks are understandably annoyed
    by the ethno-religious cult that has hijacked the political debate of
    their neighbor. Why did I say "childish"? Because only little children
    do things to annoy others...not governments, not nations. Someone
    who getting "annoyed" will become hardened and less willing to
    give in. This is something that FYROM's "diplomats in training"
    have yet to grasp. When they try to "annoy" the Greek government,
    what they essentially end up achieving is is aggravate the Greek
    electorate, especially the Greek Macedonian (of Historic Macedonia,
    in Nothern Greece, not FYROM) into demanding a tougher stance from
    Athens against the "Skopianoi". The article is correctly pointing
    out that "this glorification of Alexander and other ancient heroes"
    is derided by critics in Skopje as "antiquization." I have also heard
    the term Bukefalism (Bucephalism), a more sarcastic term by rightfully
    embarrassed intellectuals in FYROM.

    The issue, as presented in Mr. Whitlock's article, is stated as
    follows: Does a country have the right to be call itself what it
    wants? A second issue, but more important is this issue's "potential
    to destabilize a region still trying to recover from the Balkan wars
    of the 1990s".

    Let us start with the name issue itself. If the reader goes to any
    encyclopaedia, he or she will quickly find out who Alexander was,
    who the Macedonians were and what language the ancient Macedonians
    spoke. For the reader who would want to read further on this,
    then another article would be more appropriate: "The alleged
    differences between the Macedonians and the other ancient Greeks",
    (http://www.americanchronicle.com/ar ticles/view/101463).

    The name Macedonia itself is Greek, meaning the "high lands", and
    Makednoi or Makedones are the highlanders. "Hesiod first mentioned
    'Makedon', the eponym of the people and the country, as a son of Zeus,
    a grandson of Deukalion, and so a first cousin of Aeolus, Dorus,
    and Xuthus; in other words he considered the 'Makedones' to be an
    outlying branch of the Greek-speaking tribes, with a distinctive
    dialect of their own, 'Macedonian', is what we read in the "Oxford
    Classical Dictionary", 3rd ed. (1996), pp.904,905.

    There are about a half a million marble inscriptions that have
    been found in Macedonia, all written in Greek, with the occasional
    Latin one, after the Roman conquest, but then still in the small
    minority. None has been found in any other language.

    Finally, we have the strongest indication on the ethnicity of the
    Ancient Macedonians, in their Greek language: This is precisely
    the language that Alexander and his victorious Macedonians spread
    throughout the Asian lands they took over, including the dominion of
    Egypt in Africa. The Slavs whose descendants now claim exclusivity over
    the use of the name Macedonia, appeared in the Balkan peninsula more
    than a thousand years AFTER Alexander. Hence the irritation of the
    Greeks when others try to claim their ancient history. When someone
    claims your history, what they also claim is your land. If someone
    claims the title to your house, he is not simply claiming a piece of
    paper to hang on a wall as a souvenir: he is actually claiming your
    house, land, walls and roof.

    Craig Whitlock seems to be siding with "Macedonian officials" who
    "said they cannot understand why Greece sees their country's name
    as a threat or thinks they have a secret plan to annex northern
    Greece. "It's laughable," said Foreign Minister Antonio Milososki,
    noting that the Macedonian military consists of 8,000 troops and a
    fleet of eight helicopters.

    I would beg to differ with Mr. Whitlock's seeming naivete, for I
    cannot imagine that he has not read the 20th century history of the
    land that is Macedonia, before he wrote what he wrote. I am very
    certain that he knows that two Balkan wars have been fought over the
    control of Macedonia, the land. Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria, and later
    Yugoslavia, along with numerous other players, including Austrians,
    Germans, Italians and Albanians fought in two world wars in their
    attempt to become masters of Macedonia. Yugoslavia and Greece almost
    came to a clash right after WWII, when Tito made a thinly veiled
    attempt to carve parts of Macedonia from Greece and incorporate them
    into Yugoslavia, but actively joining one side in the Greek civil
    war of the 1940's. His reasons were far from ideological, it was
    purely a land grab. You may read some of the background in another,
    related article: "A brief overview of the Macedonian name issue"
    (http://www.americanchronicle.com/arti cles/view/109817).

    As for Anton Milososki, FYROM's foreign minister, he may try to
    appear laughing at the suggestion of the threat his country is
    posing to Greece, but his boss's trips to Ankara and the rousing
    welcome the Turkish Political-Military establishment prepared for
    Nikola Gruevski there, did not go unnoticed in Athens. As for FYROM's
    eight helicopters, lined up against Greece's formidable air force,
    we know that Greece is not arming itself against FYROM, it is an
    attack from Turkey that it is always prepared to confront. In such a
    confrontation, FYROM can easily become the straw that will break the
    camel's back. Alternatively, we need to remember that only a few years
    ago, the Kosovar Albanians "defeated" the all powerful Serbian army,
    without firing a winning shot: others, Americans and Western Europeans,
    even Turks did the fighting for them. In history, you cannot pretend
    to play naive. You can always expect the worse case scenario. When
    Bulgaria entered the second Balkan war, all it had against it was the
    Greek and the Serbian armies, and the Bulgarian army was larger than
    the other two combined. It expected a quick victory in two weeks'
    time, long enough for the Great powers to intervene. Things did not
    go as planned, the Greeks and Serbs started winning, and then hell
    broke loose: Turks and Romanians joined the war against Bulgaria,
    and Bulgaria from formidable attacker ended up the defender, fighting
    for its existence. Moral of the story: If someone has land claims on
    your home, you do not simply shrug your shoulders and walk away. You
    confront the issue, until there is a resolution.

    The former Yugoslav republic, under the 1995 agreement agreed to change
    its flag (which hitherto had used a Greek Macedonian Symbol). It
    also agreed "to rewrite its constitution to include a promise
    never to violate Greek territory or interfere in Greece's internal
    affairs". This basically means that the original constitution had
    made explicit references to a United Makedonija Obedineta Makedonija,
    the old Bulgarian and later Yugoslav slogan which was a war cry for
    land grab of historic Macedonia, from Northern Greece. Obviously
    they had to change it. They felt humiliated in the process, that is
    probably true. On the other hand, any little boy that senselessly
    tries to bully a stronger classmate in school and ends up getting
    slapped around, feels rightfully humiliated. The 30 year old amateur
    diplomats who have been running the little country's foreign policy
    for the last eighteen years are good at creating peaks of crises
    with bravado and hullabaloo, only to smash their heads on the wall,
    bringing unnecessary disappointment to their own people. This is
    precisely what they did in last year's NATO conference in Romania,
    when, with G.W.Bush's full support they tried to slip into NATO,
    bypassing the name issue, with champagne bottles ready to pop. When
    disaster struck, they did not know what to do and they were crying
    in front of the TV cameras, talking of a national catastrophe.

    Mr. Whitlock's tells his readers that "Leaders in Macedonia, a poor,
    landlocked country about the size of New Hampshire, warned they may
    have trouble holding the nation together if Greece does not relent
    soon. Internal unrest, they said, could easily spread to other fragile
    nations in the Balkans...". let us take this argument and consider
    its opposite side: Greeks have been warning FYROM's politicians that
    may have trouble holding their nation together if the governing clique
    in Skopje does not relent soon and stop playing with Balkan fire.

    Why is this line of arguments more correct? For several reasons. First
    of all, it was not Greece that started this whole mess, it was the
    Ultra-nationalist hotheads in Skopje. they are the ones who started
    and they are the ones who can instantly stop it. They adopted for
    themselves the name Macedonian, as if this name was existing in vacuum
    as a "freeware". Not so, since a province of Macedonia exists since
    1913 in Greece.

    While the name Macedonia was Greek in antiquity, by the early
    20th century a multiple of people were considered geographically
    "Macedonians", for being inhabitants of Macedonia, in the same way
    people who lived in Bosnia Herzegovina were all Bosnians Herzegovinans
    but others were catholic, others Orthodox yet others Muslim. Macedonia
    was even more complex: people of a multiple linguistic, ethnic and
    religious affiliations made up its multiethnic mix. Everyone was a
    Macedonian, BUT NONE was an ethnic "Macedonian". This had to wait
    until 1943, when the Communist Party of Yugoslavia established a
    Communist Party of "Makedonija" and became determined to turn its
    Serbian, Bulgarian and other (Slavic and not only) inhabitants into
    full-bloodied "Makedonci".

    Since the 2.6 million Greeks of Macedonia have a cultural Macedonian
    identity, they cannot forgo their own identity just because half as
    many Slavs north of their land decided to usurp the name Macedonian
    and try to make it an "ethnic" name. This needs to be understood. I
    will repeat it. When there is a shared name, a shared geographic
    identity, you cannot have one of them claim that THEY are the ones,
    the REAL ones, the TRUE ones and that the others now have to change
    into something else. Nothing aggravated a Macedonian Greek more than
    someone telling him "...so are you a Greek or a Macedonian?".

    To a Greek this sounds like..."are you an American or a
    Californian?". If Baja California at some point in its future decides
    to become an independent state, cutting itself off from Mexico and
    calls itself California, will this give the Bajan Californians the
    right to be called the "ethnic" Californians subsequently refusing
    persons from San Francisco or Los Angeles their right to have a
    "Californian" identity?

    Now, let's see again how it sounds: "Oh, you are from Los
    Angeles?...So, are you an American or a Californian? Do you speak
    Californian (which is of course perfectly Spanish, just the Mexican
    dialect of Baja California Spanish, now renamed "Californian") or you
    speak American"? It will not sound too convincing to many Californians,
    will it? Well, this is precisely what the Greeks have to deal with,
    for the last eighteen years. The Bulgarian and Serbian speaking
    Slavic population decides to change the name of their land and call
    it Makedonija. Then they decide to rename their Bulgarian dialect
    "Makedonski" and now they demand that the Greeks of Macedonia forgo
    their cultural and geographic identity as Macedonians. This is not
    going to happen, no matter how much the governments in Athens decide to
    "cooperate" and give in to seem cooperative.

    But, "The problem is threatening the fabric of our society," Gjorge
    Ivanov, the president of Macedonia, said in an interview. "The pressure
    that Greece is making is destabilizing the whole region." is that
    so? And who told you to base your ethnic identity on a BIG LIE? If you
    have been lying to your own people for two generations about their
    true identity, is this now OUR problem? the Greeks of Macedonia can
    counter. And who is destabilizing "the whole region"? Who has been
    screaming about "United Makedonija!", who is polluting the internet
    with screams of "Solun" (the capital of Greek Macedonia, the one
    million strong city of Thessaloniki) "is the capital of United
    Makedonija!", who is being 19th century style irredentist?

    Who is refusing to see reality in the eyes and tries to dig up ancient
    Greek Kings and adopt them as their own, refuting the true Slavic
    identity of their own people? Who is publishing State-sanctioned
    History books (the latest one came out a month ago), declaring that
    the Makedonci are not a Slavic nation! Is it the Greeks? The Serbs, The
    Bulgarians? No, it is people like this very same President Mr. Ivanov,
    and his boss, Nikola Gruevski.

    Lincoln said it very eloquently that you cannot lie to ALL the
    people ALL the time. The BIG LIE will eventually catch up with you,
    at some point or another! It surely caught about with more than a
    hundred thousand Skopjan citizens to date who, fed up with the 35%
    unemployment, and unable to cash Alexander the Great's 72ft tall
    bronze statue for food stamps, have opted to go to the Bulgarian
    embassy in Skopje and declare themselves "ethnic Bulgarians". How
    many of them in reality feel Bulgarian is difficult to say, and at
    the end of the day it will not make any difference. For sure, every
    single one of them greatly appreciates the brand new red EU passport
    that allows them to find a job anywhere in Europe! The Slavs leave,
    the Albanians stay...the future Kosovo-style crises is beginning to
    brew...and whose fault it this?

    This, Mr. Ivanov should be told, is the dynamite under the foundations
    of your multi-ethnic country: while you are busy creating and defending
    THE BIG LIE, you seem to have forgotten the big lessons of the collapse
    of Yugoslavia: "It's the Economy, Stupid!" Once people start going
    hungry, no lies will stand in front of their children's future and
    their family's survival!

    In the same article we see mention of the Albanian minority and some
    of its concerns, which led in 1991 to an armed uprising. I would
    dare suggest that maybe the anti-Albanian riots in Monastir/Bitola
    and extreme pseudo-Makedonism is what led the Albanians to feel
    as second rate citizens in a "Macedonian state". Maybe I am wrong,
    but I will need to see some strong proof, because arguments like that
    "the assumption that Macedonia would join NATO" was going to act as a
    "guarantee of internal stability", sounds to me like empty talk. "It
    would give us medicine for our hot heads," said Menduh Tachi, leader
    of the opposition Democratic Party of Albanians." we read in the
    article. That is a remote possibility, I suppose, but we need to
    distinguish between what the leader of a political Party says, and
    what his constituents in the street say. The Albanian in the street
    needs a job, he needs a police that is not engaged in ethnic brutality
    and he needs a future, for him, for his family. People do not simply
    get to the guns and start a revolt unless they feel desperate that
    their future is taken from them. What does NATO have to do with the
    INTERNAL stability of FYROM and the Albanian issue? An argument can be
    convincingly be made for the EXTERNAL stability, but not the internal.

    In Mr. Whitlock's article we are told that "Macedonians say the name
    of the country is crucial to developing their still wobbly national
    identity." This is interesting. Greeks do not have a "wobbly" national
    identity, Serbs or Albanians do not either. They know who they are. Is
    it maybe because the so called "Macedonian" have been given a fake
    identity, for the last sixty-odd years, a make-believe identity that
    has not stuck well with them? And why is it so important to sweep all
    the half baked inventions of Yugolavia's Titoism under a NATO woven
    rug of convenience, and have the neighbors deal with the INEVITABLY
    ugly aftermath, whenever (not if...) that comes? No...while FYROM's
    Titoist rebaptized nomenclatura may be just jolly and fine with the
    perpetuation of pseudo-Makedonism's BIG LIE; a BIG LIE from which they
    can keep their stranglehold on this poor country and its resources,
    and the future EU funds, ready for VMRO corruption and plunder, the
    people of the area deserve a better future than that: THEY DEMAND A
    FINAL RESOLUTION OF THIS BAD JOKE OF AN ISSUE!

    Craig Whitlock informs us that "Ethnic Albanians say they would revolt
    if the Slavic Republic of Macedonia was the new name because they are
    not Slavs". I honestly wonder, whom is he trying to convince? Where is
    the logic in his argument? First of all Greeks never said they want a
    Slavic Republic of "Macedonia", they suggested Slavomacedonia, which
    includes the word Macedonia in a "syn-thetic" name. If the "Makedonci"
    claim to be "ethnic Macedonians", and they want to call their name
    "Macedonia", their supposed name, then where do the Albanians fit
    into this? By the "Ethnic Macedonian" formula, the Albanians are NOT
    considered Macedonians, so, then, if it is called Slavomacedonia, what
    difference will it make to the Albanians? Call it Japanese Macedonia,
    Chinese Macedonia if you like, it still does not make any difference
    to the Albanians. If anything, the so called "Albanian" argument
    against Slavomacedonia, inevitably leads to a PURELY GEOGRAPHIC,
    purely non-ethnic, neutral name, that excludes nobody! Yes or no? If
    we try to be logical, we need to start making sense after some point,
    and not simply regurgitate arguments thrown arround by others with
    greater interests and bigger knifes to grind.

    Towards the end we are given the argument of a hard liner
    Slavmacedonian big hat, a certain "Todor Petrov, president of the
    World Macedonian Congress" obviously some ultra-nationalist emigre',
    who "said the country should stop kowtowing to Greece and just call
    itself the Republic of Macedonia, regardless of how badly it wants
    to join NATO or the European Union." Perfect...and why should this
    gentleman give a hoot about whether "his" country joins the European
    Union and sees untold amounts of investment flow in that will create
    jobs for his "co-patriots"? Simply because, technically, I assume,
    he is not even THEIR compatriot. he does not live their misery and
    poverty. He is probably sitting in his office somewhere in Toronto,
    Sydney or Indianapolis, and he makes a comfortable living away from
    them. All he cares about is HIS identity as an emigre, which is light
    years away from the identity of the person on the ground in FYROM,
    the average unemployed SlavoMacedonian man who sells his family's
    "Makedonskata" identity for a EU passport that says EUROPEAN UNION
    outside in golden letter over red.

    Then, and here the article becomes suspect of being more like a
    paid lobbyists stroke of genius rather than genuine journalism, we
    are quoted the same gentleman, Todor Petrov who "In an interview,
    he accused Greece of "practicing ethnic cleansing and genocide on
    the Macedonian nation" for the past 100 years. "They're denying our
    nationality and culture and church and history and our borders," he
    said." Really, now? I have seen photographs of Jews in crematoria and
    piles of corpses in Nazi concentration camps. I have seen pictures of
    beheaded Armenians, men women and children, in Turkey, during WWI, but
    I have still to see a photo of Greek Genocide against the "Macedonian"
    "nation".

    Journa lism, I would expect, demands fairness and balance. How can
    the rumblings of an ultra-nationalist emigre be given space to defame
    the Greeks through an imaginary BIG LIE, (which by the way is a very
    recent invention, they have come up witht hsi "genocide theory" post
    2000) without allowing the reader the chance to hear so much as even
    a question mark on this? But lest I forget, did anyone notice what
    this Titoist nationalist just say at the end of his sentence? Let us
    revisit his uttering:

    "They're denying our nationality and culture and church and history
    and our borders," he said." Your borders? Which borders? The United
    Macedonia borders? Where do your borders start and where do they
    end? Is the so called "Aegean Macedonia" (they will never be caught
    alive saying Greek Macedonia, so they invented the misnomer :"Aegean
    Macedonia") part of the borders you feel the Greeks are denying you?

    Then the juicy fruits start coming one by one: "It is not just
    Macedonia's national identity that is at stake. The Greek government
    does not recognize ethnic minorities within its own borders, including
    Macedonian-speaking residents of northern Greece."

    We are even offered the distinguished opinion of a very important
    gentleman: "Pavle Voskopoulos, a Greek citizen who leads the Rainbow
    Party, a group of ethnic Macedonians in northern Greece, said
    the country subscribes to a myth of a "pure" Greek people who are
    directly descended from Alexander and others from his era. "This is
    all about modern Greek identity," he said. "If there is a Macedonia
    as an independent state, this is a great threat against Greek policy
    and Greek ideology."

    I grew up in Greece and went through most of my formative years
    there and that included even the years under the ludicrous colonels'
    Junta. I do not recall anyone teaching me about a "pure" Greek nation,
    yet I see our friends from Skopje repeatedly accusing Greeks of this
    very same myth. Greeks since antiquity know that it is not blood
    lines that make a nation, but common living, commonality in culture
    and common interests. though it sounds like a puzzle to others from
    outside, Americans do constitute a nation, and so do Australians and
    Canadians. There are subgroups that is for sure, but there is unity
    in diversity. Greek are the same.

    Ancient Greeks were a dynamic mix of local Pelasgians, and other local
    tribes, Indo-European speaking Greeks, who arrived in Greece around
    2000 BC, and as time went by they mixed with slaves, and others who
    came as a result of Alexander's expeditions in Asia, and later with
    Romans, Thracians, etc. Greek culture has been evolving the last 4000
    years and it is the language that more than anything (religion too,
    to a smaller of greater degree, depending on the historic frame)
    that makes their nation. Who ever talked about racial purity? Only
    Dog breeders and Nazis are thinking in these terms. As for Pavlos
    Voskopoulos, the leader of the Party of the Ethnic Macedonians of
    Greece, I will ask the readers permission to copy here what I recently
    wrote in another recent article on this issue, about the political
    Party Mr Voskopoulos leads:

    "When Ouranio Toxo - Vinozhito (Raibow) a political Party representing
    the "ethnic Macedonians" slated candidates under the banners of the
    European Free Alliance (Eyropaiki Eleytheri Symmachia - Ouranio Toxo)
    for the in June 2009 Europarliament, the total votes tally they were
    able to receive in the districts of Macedonia were two thousand five
    hundred ninety four votes (2594), out of a population of 2.5 million
    Greek Macedonians

    ( http://ekloges-prev.singularlogic.eu/e2009/pages/i ndex.html?lang=en
    ).

    This is hardly making a case for allowing one third of Greece,
    Macedonia, to be split and given as a land grant to the FYROM
    ultra-nationalists in Skopje.

    By comparison, the Komma Ellinon Kynigon (Fysi - Kynigi - Psarema
    - Paradosi)/Party of Greek Hunters (Nature -Hunting - Fishing -
    Tradition), the quintessential joke of a party in Greece, in the
    very same districts (Districts of Drama, Kavala, A' Thessalonikis,
    B' Thessalonikis, Serres, Chalkidiki, Kilkis, Pella, Imathia, Pieria,
    Florina, Kozani, Kastoria and Grevena) received 5900 votes, twice as
    many as Eyropaiki Eleytheri Symmachia - Ouranio Toxo / Vinozhito.

    ( http://ekloges-prev.singularlogic.eu/e2009/pages/i ndex.html?lang=en
    ).

    We are given here the opinion of the leader of a Party that was able
    to gather less than one vote per thousand people in Greek Macedonia
    supporting their cause, although they had tv time, and freedom to say
    whatever they wanted, yet they managed to gather half the votes of
    the hunter's party! What minority are we talking about then? the best
    statistics may be talking of some fifty thousand bilingual people
    who speak Slavic ALSO, besides Greek. And that is true especially
    of the older generations, but that again makes no difference:
    it is identity that counts, not language not blood, not anything
    else. Several, though not all, Muslim Slavs in Greece (Pomaks) consider
    themselves to be Turkish though they speak no word in Turkish. And
    Many Jews worldwide think of themselves as Jews though they speak
    no Hebrew. These are instances where one part of the identity, the
    religious one, overcomes language and other aspects of culture. I
    have met not a few Americans who are Greek Orthodox in religion and
    Greek in culture and identity, though they speak no word in Greek, and
    they revel in their double identity as both Americans and Greeks. It
    is self identity that counts. It is who and what you want to be. A
    huge part of identity, sometimes even primary, is of course language,
    but not the only one. A bilingual person can always chose the identity
    he prefers. Many families in pre-war Macedonia were split in half when
    one brother would decide to "became" a Bulgarian ("ethnic Macedonians"
    had not been invented yet) and another to "became" a Greek. A bilingual
    of Macedonia who speaks both Greek and Slavic, but considers himself
    to be a Greek and derogatorily calls the people across the frontiers
    "Yugoslavs", cannot be counted as one of Mr. Voskopoulos's voters or
    "ethnic minority" supporters. A Cuban-American in Miami, is typically a
    fully bilingual Spanish and English speaking, and while he has a strong
    Spanich/Cuban identity is also at the same time very much an American.

    The Washington Post article continues by informing us that FYROM
    "has renamed its national stadium for King Philip II, Alexander's
    father, and organized dozens of archaeological digs." It is not
    what you dig out that matters to Greeks, but the language found
    written in the artifacts, and the culture that created these
    artifacts. Claiming for example prehistoric stone-age artifacts as
    "proof" of an age-long continuum of (Slavo)"Macedonian" culture
    is as ludicrous as naming Greek funerary, religious and political
    Greek inscriptions "ancient-Macedonian" epigraphy. The Zenith of
    "Fyromian-antiquization" kitsch is displayed in the governing Palace
    in Skopje, where a series of priceless ancient Greek statues have
    been arranged with total disregard to their care, on the sidewalk,
    as proof of "ancient Macedonian" art. Similarly, a huge Greek
    inscription which mentions the Makedonarchs (leaders of Macedonia)
    has been hauled from the Archaeological site and taken to decorate
    the entry to Mr. Gruevski's Gubernatorial building.

    "Officials", we are reminded, "also like to needle Greeks that the
    philosopher Aristotle, who tutored the teenage Alexander, was from
    the kingdom of Macedonia, not Athens". This is a true statement:
    Athens was not Greece, Athens was IN Greece. Macedonia was in Greece
    too. The fact that someone was from Macedonia, like Aristotle, does
    not make him any less a Greek than someone from Athens as someone
    from Sparta or Hellenistic Egypt or Syracuse in southern Italy. the
    fact that Eratosthenes was from Egypt does not make him an Arab,
    since Arabs came into Egypt seven Hundred years after him. He was
    Greek. The fact that Archimedes was from Syracuse, does not make
    him a Roman, he was a Greek who was in fact killed by a Roman during
    the capture of his country, his city state by the Romans. And after
    all, Aristotle is not known for simply being Alexander's tutor...he
    is the man that established the scientific method and one of the
    two pillars, along with Plato, of ancient Greek Philosophy. And
    there is no question as to what language he wrote in. If he was a
    "Slavo-Makedonski" Macedonian, why did he not write in Slavic? The
    Romans were brutes and uneducated in the beginning yet when they
    started writing they wrote in their own language, Latin. Where is
    that elusive language of the Macedonians, the ancient conquerors of
    the known world, the language of Alexander, Philip II and Aristotle,
    if it was not the Greek they left us in their incriptions?

    The fact that there are plenty of pseudo-scientists in FYROM, like the
    Archaeologist "Pasko Kuzman, the government's director of cultural
    heritage" who prostitute their allegiance to science for the sake
    of pseudo-scientific political ends, is not surprising. Hitler found
    doctors who killed their fellow humans in order to execute SS-ordered
    human "experiments". I would never call Pasko Kuzman an SS officer,
    far from it (though I have no problem describing some of his political
    bosses in VMRO as such). No, his description "as a cross between
    Indiana Jones and Santa Claus" goes along way to create a good picture
    of him, but I would definitely add a bit of Goebbels into the mix:
    it is the BIG LIE "thing"...with which he has been raised, in Tito's
    Yugoslavia and from which, like a second skin, he cannot get out of.

    Someone could easily claim that Greeks are too emotionally involved
    to be credible, when speaking of ancient Macedonia. I can say that
    this might be correct with some. On the other hand, the facts are
    facts and nobody can escape from them, not even FYROM government's own
    "director of cultural heritage". Then, who would be the best to expose
    the falacy and fakeness of pseudoMacedonist theories? None other than
    the ex prime minister of the country, i suppoze, Ljupco Georgievski,
    who abandoned Pseudomakedonism and went to maika Bulgaria and got
    a Bulgarian passport, remembering that his grandparents were all
    Bulgarian, after all. This is how the ex-Prime Minister countered
    Pasko Kuzman's nebulous theories, logically and point to point:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HvKPiLYZCI &NR=1

    But in Craig Whitlock's interview, the professor had other things
    to say:

    "The Greeks are sorry that they are called Greece and not Macedonia,"
    he said. "What else can I tell you?"

    Don't say anything professor...polla eipas and, as Aristotle, that
    timeless Macedonian philosopher said: "ouk en to pollo to eu!...I do
    not need to translate what he said, you are eis Makedon Macedonian,
    as you claim; I am sure you can read Aristotle in the original...

    Then, after you finish Aristotle, please go and read what 350 Classics
    professors world wide are saying, on the Macedonia issue, in their
    Open Letter to President Obama:

    http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-letter .html

    What was Pasko Kuzman's reply to that letter?

    It is right here, on national tv:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tCgTJsRuW8
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