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LA TIMES ON PROTESTS IN LOS ANGELES
By Ann M. Simmons
http://www.lragir.am/engsrc/politics-lrah os15404.html
11:08:07 - 05/10/2009
Tentative deal between Armenia, Turkey brings opposition from both
sides Armenian Americans and Turkish Americans both say the governments
in their homelands are giving too many concessions. A commission that
would study the Armenian genocide is a sore point for some.
Upset over an agreement that would establish diplomatic ties between
Armenia and Turkey and reopen their common borders, members of the
Los Angeles Armenian community plan to rally in Beverly Hills today.
Organizers of the demonstration say they will call on Armenian
President Serzh Sargsyan to refrain from signing protocols with Turkey
that they believe would threaten Armenia's interests and security.
Sargsyan is scheduled to visit Los Angeles today.
A deal that would essentially normalize relations between the
long-estranged nations is expected to be signed this month. But the
agreement faces opposition from both Armenian Americans and Turkish
Americans, who argue that the governments in their homelands are
making unreasonable concessions.
'We're not against normalization and peace with Turkey,' said Arek
Santikian, a UCLA student and chairman of the Armenian Youth Federation
of the Western United States. 'We really would want peace. But we
can't have peace with preconditions.'
Among the agreement's provisions is the creation of a historical
commission that would evaluate the bloody history between the two
countries. The Armenian genocide of 1915 to 1918 claimed the lives of
about 1.2 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire, which became
the modern republic of Turkey. The Turkish government disputes that
a genocide took place.
A historical commission would allow Turkey 'to question the veracity
of the genocide,' Santikian said. 'We know that it happened. We can't
put a question mark on that.'
Turkey disputes the number of those killed and argues that Armenians
were equally brutal in slaying Turks when they revolted against their
Ottoman rulers and aligned themselves with invading Russian troops.
Armenian American critics of the agreement also argue that the
protocols would allow Turkey to keep eastern territories they say
are historically part of Armenia.
They are also concerned about the future of Nagorno-Karabakh, a
disputed enclave populated mainly by ethnic Armenians but within
the borders of Azerbaijan, which has close ethnic and political ties
with Turkey.
'The protocols are not proportional,' said Caspar Jivalagian, a
student at Southwestern Law School and an Armenian Youth Federation
member. 'It is a very pro-Turkish document.'
But many Turkish Americans disagree.
'Turkey is giving too much and getting too little in return,' said
Ergun Kirlikovali, West Coast director of the Assembly of Turkish
American Assns.
Some believe the Turkish government is selling out Azerbaijan by
reconciling with Armenia before the dispute over Nagorno-Karabakh
has been settled. Others fear Turkey might be forced to give back land.
Kirlikovali said Turks are also tired of being defamed by Armenians who
were 'constantly pushing a bogus genocide claim . . . and distorting
and misrepresenting history.'
He argued that a historical commission would allow experts to come to
a 'nonpolitical' verdict on the issue, and said that's why Armenians
were opposed to the creation of such a panel. It could debunk their
main indictment against Turks, Kirlikovali said.
Gunay Evinch, the assembly's Washington, D.C.-based president and a
Fulbright scholar, said that despite the concerns over the consequences
of the accord between Turkey and Armenia, the agreement presented
'a unique opportunity to move forward for these countries and their
people, but not without risks.'
By Ann M. Simmons
http://www.lragir.am/engsrc/politics-lrah os15404.html
11:08:07 - 05/10/2009
Tentative deal between Armenia, Turkey brings opposition from both
sides Armenian Americans and Turkish Americans both say the governments
in their homelands are giving too many concessions. A commission that
would study the Armenian genocide is a sore point for some.
Upset over an agreement that would establish diplomatic ties between
Armenia and Turkey and reopen their common borders, members of the
Los Angeles Armenian community plan to rally in Beverly Hills today.
Organizers of the demonstration say they will call on Armenian
President Serzh Sargsyan to refrain from signing protocols with Turkey
that they believe would threaten Armenia's interests and security.
Sargsyan is scheduled to visit Los Angeles today.
A deal that would essentially normalize relations between the
long-estranged nations is expected to be signed this month. But the
agreement faces opposition from both Armenian Americans and Turkish
Americans, who argue that the governments in their homelands are
making unreasonable concessions.
'We're not against normalization and peace with Turkey,' said Arek
Santikian, a UCLA student and chairman of the Armenian Youth Federation
of the Western United States. 'We really would want peace. But we
can't have peace with preconditions.'
Among the agreement's provisions is the creation of a historical
commission that would evaluate the bloody history between the two
countries. The Armenian genocide of 1915 to 1918 claimed the lives of
about 1.2 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire, which became
the modern republic of Turkey. The Turkish government disputes that
a genocide took place.
A historical commission would allow Turkey 'to question the veracity
of the genocide,' Santikian said. 'We know that it happened. We can't
put a question mark on that.'
Turkey disputes the number of those killed and argues that Armenians
were equally brutal in slaying Turks when they revolted against their
Ottoman rulers and aligned themselves with invading Russian troops.
Armenian American critics of the agreement also argue that the
protocols would allow Turkey to keep eastern territories they say
are historically part of Armenia.
They are also concerned about the future of Nagorno-Karabakh, a
disputed enclave populated mainly by ethnic Armenians but within
the borders of Azerbaijan, which has close ethnic and political ties
with Turkey.
'The protocols are not proportional,' said Caspar Jivalagian, a
student at Southwestern Law School and an Armenian Youth Federation
member. 'It is a very pro-Turkish document.'
But many Turkish Americans disagree.
'Turkey is giving too much and getting too little in return,' said
Ergun Kirlikovali, West Coast director of the Assembly of Turkish
American Assns.
Some believe the Turkish government is selling out Azerbaijan by
reconciling with Armenia before the dispute over Nagorno-Karabakh
has been settled. Others fear Turkey might be forced to give back land.
Kirlikovali said Turks are also tired of being defamed by Armenians who
were 'constantly pushing a bogus genocide claim . . . and distorting
and misrepresenting history.'
He argued that a historical commission would allow experts to come to
a 'nonpolitical' verdict on the issue, and said that's why Armenians
were opposed to the creation of such a panel. It could debunk their
main indictment against Turks, Kirlikovali said.
Gunay Evinch, the assembly's Washington, D.C.-based president and a
Fulbright scholar, said that despite the concerns over the consequences
of the accord between Turkey and Armenia, the agreement presented
'a unique opportunity to move forward for these countries and their
people, but not without risks.'