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ERDOGAN DISCUSSES PROTOCOLS, KARABAKH WITH WALL STREET JOURNAL
Asbarez
http://www.asbarez.com/2009/10/07 /erdogan-discusses-protocols-karabakh-with-wall-st reet-journal/
Oct 7th, 2009
These are edited excerpts of a transcript of an interview with Turkey
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, conducted through a translator
on Sunday, Oct. 3.
WSJ: Are you confident that the protocol on reopening the border with
Armenia will be signed on Saturday and is it contingent on progress
on the Nagorno Karabakh issue at the meeting between the Armenian
and Azerbaijani presidents on Saturday?
Reccep Tayyip Erdogan: Thank you for the question I'm very glad you
asked this question. Our foreign minister is going to sign this
agreement with the Armenian foreign minister [Eduard] Nalbandian
on Oct. 10, if there is no negative development on the part of the
Armenians from today until the 10th of October, I don't see any problem
with signing of this agreement, because as the world has known and
will see again we always stick to our promises. So, so long as there is
no change to the text, we are ready as it is now to sign the agreement.
We'd also like to see the Minsk group [an international grouping
that oversees peace talks on Nagorno Karabakh] witness the signing
of this agreement actually - and if the French don't come perhaps
the Americans or the Russians will come. And in addition to that the
meeting in Moldova is very important because although the Armenians
sometimes say this agreement has nothing to do with the Azeris,
there is in fact a relationship. Because most recently, I believe
when president Sarkisian was on an international visit, he was faced
by a reaction from the Armenian Diaspora. So what he does in face of
the reaction of the Diaspora is very important. If he can stand firm,
and if it is the government of Armenia and not the Armenian Diaspora
that is determining policy in Armenia, then I think that we can move
forward. As far as we're concerned there is no problem. But it is up
to the government in Armenia.
As for the parliament ... of course as is the case in any democratic
country, in any democratic parliament, what governments do is they
prepare a draft, they send it to the parliament, and there is a secret
ballot on that and everyone will vote in the way they want to vote, and
there is no way one can control that. This in fact happened a few years
back on the first of March - what we call the parliamentary motion of
the first of March - where the government prepared a motion, sent it
to the parliament, but it was not ratified, it did not get a majority
of votes in the parliament and could not be passed. I became prime
minister after that parliamentary motion was sent to the parliament,
this was back in 2003, when we presented a new draft, this was about
troops into Iraq. At the time the second draft....got the necessary
votes in parliament, but our American friends and our brothers in
Iraq did not want to have troops cross into Iraq by the time the
second motion passed, so the second draft was not put into practice. ..
What is important and I would like to underline this, because this is
perhaps the most important point is that Armenia should not allow its
policies to be taken hostage by the Armenian Diaspora. It should be
up to the government to carry out its policies. And in that context
the Moldova meeting is very important on Nagorno Karabakh, because if
you look at Nagorno Karabakh and where it stands today there aren't in
fact too many more issues left to be resolved. There are out of seven
regions, five that have been resolved and two, Lachin and Kelbajar to
be exact, where there is an issue with the size. If those issues can
be resolved there could be a positive result. So all in all there
is in fact a move for the better. But we have taken our positive
steps. We have been taking pos steps for some time. For example we
have allowed flights between Yerevan and Istanbul, cargo flights are
free to travel. And we have about 40000 Armenians who live in turkey,
who came from Armenia, who do not have the necessary legal papers. We
do not send them back, we allow them to stay.
So all of these are important messages actually...
WSJ: so is signature on the 10th of October contingent on progress
at the meeting in Moldova?
R.T.E.: The agreement will be signed on the 10th. It doesn't have
anything to do with what happens in Moldova. But of course a positive
development in Moldova will definitely have a positive impact on the
process altogether.
From: Emil Lazarian | Ararat NewsPress
Asbarez
http://www.asbarez.com/2009/10/07 /erdogan-discusses-protocols-karabakh-with-wall-st reet-journal/
Oct 7th, 2009
These are edited excerpts of a transcript of an interview with Turkey
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, conducted through a translator
on Sunday, Oct. 3.
WSJ: Are you confident that the protocol on reopening the border with
Armenia will be signed on Saturday and is it contingent on progress
on the Nagorno Karabakh issue at the meeting between the Armenian
and Azerbaijani presidents on Saturday?
Reccep Tayyip Erdogan: Thank you for the question I'm very glad you
asked this question. Our foreign minister is going to sign this
agreement with the Armenian foreign minister [Eduard] Nalbandian
on Oct. 10, if there is no negative development on the part of the
Armenians from today until the 10th of October, I don't see any problem
with signing of this agreement, because as the world has known and
will see again we always stick to our promises. So, so long as there is
no change to the text, we are ready as it is now to sign the agreement.
We'd also like to see the Minsk group [an international grouping
that oversees peace talks on Nagorno Karabakh] witness the signing
of this agreement actually - and if the French don't come perhaps
the Americans or the Russians will come. And in addition to that the
meeting in Moldova is very important because although the Armenians
sometimes say this agreement has nothing to do with the Azeris,
there is in fact a relationship. Because most recently, I believe
when president Sarkisian was on an international visit, he was faced
by a reaction from the Armenian Diaspora. So what he does in face of
the reaction of the Diaspora is very important. If he can stand firm,
and if it is the government of Armenia and not the Armenian Diaspora
that is determining policy in Armenia, then I think that we can move
forward. As far as we're concerned there is no problem. But it is up
to the government in Armenia.
As for the parliament ... of course as is the case in any democratic
country, in any democratic parliament, what governments do is they
prepare a draft, they send it to the parliament, and there is a secret
ballot on that and everyone will vote in the way they want to vote, and
there is no way one can control that. This in fact happened a few years
back on the first of March - what we call the parliamentary motion of
the first of March - where the government prepared a motion, sent it
to the parliament, but it was not ratified, it did not get a majority
of votes in the parliament and could not be passed. I became prime
minister after that parliamentary motion was sent to the parliament,
this was back in 2003, when we presented a new draft, this was about
troops into Iraq. At the time the second draft....got the necessary
votes in parliament, but our American friends and our brothers in
Iraq did not want to have troops cross into Iraq by the time the
second motion passed, so the second draft was not put into practice. ..
What is important and I would like to underline this, because this is
perhaps the most important point is that Armenia should not allow its
policies to be taken hostage by the Armenian Diaspora. It should be
up to the government to carry out its policies. And in that context
the Moldova meeting is very important on Nagorno Karabakh, because if
you look at Nagorno Karabakh and where it stands today there aren't in
fact too many more issues left to be resolved. There are out of seven
regions, five that have been resolved and two, Lachin and Kelbajar to
be exact, where there is an issue with the size. If those issues can
be resolved there could be a positive result. So all in all there
is in fact a move for the better. But we have taken our positive
steps. We have been taking pos steps for some time. For example we
have allowed flights between Yerevan and Istanbul, cargo flights are
free to travel. And we have about 40000 Armenians who live in turkey,
who came from Armenia, who do not have the necessary legal papers. We
do not send them back, we allow them to stay.
So all of these are important messages actually...
WSJ: so is signature on the 10th of October contingent on progress
at the meeting in Moldova?
R.T.E.: The agreement will be signed on the 10th. It doesn't have
anything to do with what happens in Moldova. But of course a positive
development in Moldova will definitely have a positive impact on the
process altogether.
From: Emil Lazarian | Ararat NewsPress