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EuropeNews
Sept 4 2009
GalliaWatch 04 September 2009
Tiberge
The uncertainties surrounding the much-discussed entry of Turkey in the
EU are brought home in this article posted at Francois Desouche. The
article is a timeline from 1993 to the present, consisting of remarks
made by Tayyip Erdogan over the 16-year period and presented in
reverse chronological order. The readers' comments shed more light
on the contradictions inherent in this debate:
- June 26, 2009 - The head of the Turkish government, Erdogan, argued
in favor of a "full and complete membership" in the European Union,
and refused categorically a "privileged partnership."
Note: The source given for the above is an article in Le Monde
now archived. In the article, Erdogan deplored the slowness of the
negotiations and pointed the finger at those countries responsible
for the delays, including France and Germany.
- February 13, 2008 - In Cologne, the Turkish prime minister set fire
to the gunpowder when he denounced the assimilation of migrants as a
"crime against humanity." The head of the German Christian Democratic
Party (CSU) denounced the "Turkish nationalistic sermon on German soil"
and posed the question "if in these conditions, it is still feasible to
pursue the negotiations of accession" of Ankara to the European Union.
Note: The source for this second remark is an article from Le Figaro,
still accessible. It deals with the tensions between Germany and
Turkey and the divisions within Germany itself. However the most
striking comments from Erdogan deal with his contempt for any kind
of assimilation, and his wish to establish special Turkish schools in
Germany, manned by personnel from Ankara. According to this article the
German Left maintains a dewey-eyed idealism regarding multiculturalism,
while the Right has, in the past, spoken of the "virtues of a German
dominant culture." And though the Right is opposed to Turkey in the
EU, the Social Democrats (SPD) are favorable. Angela Merkel expressed
willingness to increase the teaching of Turkish as a foreign language,
but was less open to the idea of teachers being sent from Ankara to
ply their trade in Germany.
- February 12, 2008 - Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister, asked
that Turkish schools and universities be established in Germany,
where all teaching would be done in the Turkish language, in order to
"respect differences." The general secretary of the CSU, replied,
"If you want a Turkish school, go to Turkey."
Note: An English-language source, Islam in Europe, is given for
the above.
- January 28, 2008 - Prime Minister Erdogan declared that unfortunately
Turkey was "adopting the Western immorality that ran counter to the
values of Turkey."
Note: Here is the source article for the above, from The Memri Blog:
In his speech to Turkish graduate students going to study abroad,
Erdogan made some controversial remarks that met with strong reactions
in Turkey's mainstream media. Erdogan said, "The poet who penned
Turkish national anthem [the Islamist Mehmet Akif Ersoy] said that
we should compete with art and science of the West; but unfortunately
we adopted the West's immoralities that are contrary to our values".
He added that Turkey would continue sending students abroad for
graduate studies for them to [learn and] compete in order to reach
beyond the art and science of the West and asked the students to come
back after their studies and work in Turkey.
The PM's remarks were questioned by the media that asked what he
meant by "the West's immoralities", whether or not he was talking
about Western women not being covered, and how Turkey could become
a EU member when the PM thought the West was "immoral".
- January 11, 2008 - Erdogan reaffirmed his wish to join the European
Union. "There can be no laxness in this question of the EU. We will
do everything that needs to be done," he declared on television. "We
are winning."
Note: The above is drawn from a short article at the Armenian site
Armenews.
- 1997 - Erdogan declared: "The minarets are our bayonets, the domes
our helmets and the mosques our barracks."
Note: The full quote was: "The minarets are our bayonets, the domes
our helmets, the mosques our barracks, the believers our soldiers."
See the short article on Turkey at Lawrence Auster's VFR.
- 1993 - Erdogan, mayor of Istanbul, declared: "Thank God, I am for
sharia, you cannot be 'laïque' and Muslim at the same time."
Note: A reminder that the French word "laïque" refers to laïcité,
the separation of Church and State.
The above comments by Erdogan are very instructive. He is a
nationalist, a position that some of us approve of, now that we are
witnessing the attempts by various forces to dissolve borders and
force multiculturalism on the ancient peoples of Europe, a process,
which, if carried to completion, would result in the complete
mutation of the ancient ethnicities into racially and ethnically mixed
societies. Erdogan clearly opposes this, but so do we! Yet he WANTS to
enter into the European Union. He wants to enter on HIS terms, namely
that the Turkish population in Europe remain Turkish, and NOT meld in
with the Europeans. In other words, he wants to be separate but equal,
with, no doubt, the ultimate goal of waging jihad and subjugating
the Europeans to Islam, since he is a practicing Muslim, believes in
sharia, and condemns the life-style of the West. Thus the Turks in
Europe would gradually become separate and dominant, even if their
actual numbers remained relatively small, since a sizable, activist
minority is sufficient to destroy a culture that does not fight back.
In the above comments Erdogan is being honest. He is warning the
Europeans that renouncing one's origins, adopting new mores, and
racially mixing blood are condemnable actions.
Paradox on paradox, the Europeans CONDEMN him for this and question
the advisability of allowing Turkey into the EU. Good. Then DON'T
allow Turkey in. And while you're at it, stop the Utopian nightmare
of multiculturalism, métissage, and slavish adoration of Islam,
a culture totally alien to European traditional cultures. Dissolve
the EU, send your foreign populations back where they came from,
and become once again separate nations, as Erdogan advocates.
Unfortunately, whenever the Right of any country makes these points,
there are more than enough countervailing voices on the Left to crush
the truth and to continue to lobby on behalf of Turkey. And Erdogan can
continue with his nationalist rhetoric and still have enough support
to get into the EU. And once in, he will be a Muslim, NOT a "laïque",
while the European Union is resolutely secular, but not anti-Muslim!!!
Too many paradoxes. This is good. Perhaps in the end, confusion will
reign to such a degree that Turkey's accession will be placed on the
back burner for another hundred years.
Here are some comments from Francois Desouche readers:
- The really insane thing about his comments is that we seem not to
be hearing what he is kind enough to admit to us.
- Watch out. Concerning Turkey there is often confusion among
Europeans. In truth you must understand that it is an upside-down
combat that is playing out in Turkey. There, it is the religious
ones, the Islamists who favor accession to the EU; conversely, the
"laïques" and the military of the Ataturk party are hostile to Turkish
membership. To be clear: in Turkey, the good guys are against the EU,
the evil ones are for it.
- Let's not forget that the polls conducted in Turkey clearly show
that the Turks are against the entry of their country in Europe. The
only ones for it are the business interests. And of course, our dear
bobos who grovel before "diversity."
Note: A reminder that Erdogan demands separation of Turks in the name
of "diversity." But for young French and German idealists "diversity"
usually means "coming together and walking hand in hand into the
sunset" (or something like that).
- The Turks can always dream, but they will NEVER be part of the EU,
despite the pro-Turkish propaganda of most of our governments.
- In short, we don't like you very much, but we dream of coming to
your country and imposing ourselves... even if you don't agree.
The photo of Turkish women is also from Francois Desouche. Nnote that
one of them is wearing both a headscarf and a baseball cap. What is
the significance of that?
EuropeNews
Sept 4 2009
GalliaWatch 04 September 2009
Tiberge
The uncertainties surrounding the much-discussed entry of Turkey in the
EU are brought home in this article posted at Francois Desouche. The
article is a timeline from 1993 to the present, consisting of remarks
made by Tayyip Erdogan over the 16-year period and presented in
reverse chronological order. The readers' comments shed more light
on the contradictions inherent in this debate:
- June 26, 2009 - The head of the Turkish government, Erdogan, argued
in favor of a "full and complete membership" in the European Union,
and refused categorically a "privileged partnership."
Note: The source given for the above is an article in Le Monde
now archived. In the article, Erdogan deplored the slowness of the
negotiations and pointed the finger at those countries responsible
for the delays, including France and Germany.
- February 13, 2008 - In Cologne, the Turkish prime minister set fire
to the gunpowder when he denounced the assimilation of migrants as a
"crime against humanity." The head of the German Christian Democratic
Party (CSU) denounced the "Turkish nationalistic sermon on German soil"
and posed the question "if in these conditions, it is still feasible to
pursue the negotiations of accession" of Ankara to the European Union.
Note: The source for this second remark is an article from Le Figaro,
still accessible. It deals with the tensions between Germany and
Turkey and the divisions within Germany itself. However the most
striking comments from Erdogan deal with his contempt for any kind
of assimilation, and his wish to establish special Turkish schools in
Germany, manned by personnel from Ankara. According to this article the
German Left maintains a dewey-eyed idealism regarding multiculturalism,
while the Right has, in the past, spoken of the "virtues of a German
dominant culture." And though the Right is opposed to Turkey in the
EU, the Social Democrats (SPD) are favorable. Angela Merkel expressed
willingness to increase the teaching of Turkish as a foreign language,
but was less open to the idea of teachers being sent from Ankara to
ply their trade in Germany.
- February 12, 2008 - Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister, asked
that Turkish schools and universities be established in Germany,
where all teaching would be done in the Turkish language, in order to
"respect differences." The general secretary of the CSU, replied,
"If you want a Turkish school, go to Turkey."
Note: An English-language source, Islam in Europe, is given for
the above.
- January 28, 2008 - Prime Minister Erdogan declared that unfortunately
Turkey was "adopting the Western immorality that ran counter to the
values of Turkey."
Note: Here is the source article for the above, from The Memri Blog:
In his speech to Turkish graduate students going to study abroad,
Erdogan made some controversial remarks that met with strong reactions
in Turkey's mainstream media. Erdogan said, "The poet who penned
Turkish national anthem [the Islamist Mehmet Akif Ersoy] said that
we should compete with art and science of the West; but unfortunately
we adopted the West's immoralities that are contrary to our values".
He added that Turkey would continue sending students abroad for
graduate studies for them to [learn and] compete in order to reach
beyond the art and science of the West and asked the students to come
back after their studies and work in Turkey.
The PM's remarks were questioned by the media that asked what he
meant by "the West's immoralities", whether or not he was talking
about Western women not being covered, and how Turkey could become
a EU member when the PM thought the West was "immoral".
- January 11, 2008 - Erdogan reaffirmed his wish to join the European
Union. "There can be no laxness in this question of the EU. We will
do everything that needs to be done," he declared on television. "We
are winning."
Note: The above is drawn from a short article at the Armenian site
Armenews.
- 1997 - Erdogan declared: "The minarets are our bayonets, the domes
our helmets and the mosques our barracks."
Note: The full quote was: "The minarets are our bayonets, the domes
our helmets, the mosques our barracks, the believers our soldiers."
See the short article on Turkey at Lawrence Auster's VFR.
- 1993 - Erdogan, mayor of Istanbul, declared: "Thank God, I am for
sharia, you cannot be 'laïque' and Muslim at the same time."
Note: A reminder that the French word "laïque" refers to laïcité,
the separation of Church and State.
The above comments by Erdogan are very instructive. He is a
nationalist, a position that some of us approve of, now that we are
witnessing the attempts by various forces to dissolve borders and
force multiculturalism on the ancient peoples of Europe, a process,
which, if carried to completion, would result in the complete
mutation of the ancient ethnicities into racially and ethnically mixed
societies. Erdogan clearly opposes this, but so do we! Yet he WANTS to
enter into the European Union. He wants to enter on HIS terms, namely
that the Turkish population in Europe remain Turkish, and NOT meld in
with the Europeans. In other words, he wants to be separate but equal,
with, no doubt, the ultimate goal of waging jihad and subjugating
the Europeans to Islam, since he is a practicing Muslim, believes in
sharia, and condemns the life-style of the West. Thus the Turks in
Europe would gradually become separate and dominant, even if their
actual numbers remained relatively small, since a sizable, activist
minority is sufficient to destroy a culture that does not fight back.
In the above comments Erdogan is being honest. He is warning the
Europeans that renouncing one's origins, adopting new mores, and
racially mixing blood are condemnable actions.
Paradox on paradox, the Europeans CONDEMN him for this and question
the advisability of allowing Turkey into the EU. Good. Then DON'T
allow Turkey in. And while you're at it, stop the Utopian nightmare
of multiculturalism, métissage, and slavish adoration of Islam,
a culture totally alien to European traditional cultures. Dissolve
the EU, send your foreign populations back where they came from,
and become once again separate nations, as Erdogan advocates.
Unfortunately, whenever the Right of any country makes these points,
there are more than enough countervailing voices on the Left to crush
the truth and to continue to lobby on behalf of Turkey. And Erdogan can
continue with his nationalist rhetoric and still have enough support
to get into the EU. And once in, he will be a Muslim, NOT a "laïque",
while the European Union is resolutely secular, but not anti-Muslim!!!
Too many paradoxes. This is good. Perhaps in the end, confusion will
reign to such a degree that Turkey's accession will be placed on the
back burner for another hundred years.
Here are some comments from Francois Desouche readers:
- The really insane thing about his comments is that we seem not to
be hearing what he is kind enough to admit to us.
- Watch out. Concerning Turkey there is often confusion among
Europeans. In truth you must understand that it is an upside-down
combat that is playing out in Turkey. There, it is the religious
ones, the Islamists who favor accession to the EU; conversely, the
"laïques" and the military of the Ataturk party are hostile to Turkish
membership. To be clear: in Turkey, the good guys are against the EU,
the evil ones are for it.
- Let's not forget that the polls conducted in Turkey clearly show
that the Turks are against the entry of their country in Europe. The
only ones for it are the business interests. And of course, our dear
bobos who grovel before "diversity."
Note: A reminder that Erdogan demands separation of Turks in the name
of "diversity." But for young French and German idealists "diversity"
usually means "coming together and walking hand in hand into the
sunset" (or something like that).
- The Turks can always dream, but they will NEVER be part of the EU,
despite the pro-Turkish propaganda of most of our governments.
- In short, we don't like you very much, but we dream of coming to
your country and imposing ourselves... even if you don't agree.
The photo of Turkish women is also from Francois Desouche. Nnote that
one of them is wearing both a headscarf and a baseball cap. What is
the significance of that?