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TIME IS AN IRREVERSIBLE CATEGORY
17:47:17 - 24/09/2009
http://www.lragir.am/engsrc/interview-l rahos15295.html
NKR Foreign Minister Georgy Petrossyan's interview to the
correspondent of the Turkish NTV TV Channel
Recently, Turkish-Armenian relations have been improved and some
protocols have been signed, etc. My first question is: how do you
treat that process from the Karabakhi part?
To tell the truth, I am not informed that these protocols have already
been signed. Let's express ourselves more correctly: according to
preliminary agreement these documents are to be presented to the
Parliaments for ratification within 6 weeks. If my data are incorrect,
you can contradict. We follow that process attentively enough, as the
country we live in should seriously follow developments like that. At
the same time I want to say that we don't even try to interfere in any
decision-making process of citizens and leadership of Armenia. Our
stance is clear-cut: we have never interfered and don't interfere in
Armenia's domestic life, although we understand that there are some
issues of All-Armenian sounding, connected with the establishment of
close relations between Turkey and Armenia that we are worried about.
Yes, those protocols have not been signed yet, but, anyhow, today if
they speak in Turkey about Armenian-Turkish relations, connected with
the protocols, Karabakh is constantly mentioned, though it is not
involved in these processes.
We wish Turkey and Turkish officials, who constantly state that
without the Karabakh issue settlement any progress is impossible, had
the same attitude. We wish these 2 issues were separated from each
other.
How will the Karabakh problem be solved, to your mind? Will you have a
meeting with Azerbaijan one day on solving the issue, or is it
possible to solve it on the international platform?
We have repeatedly stated that we are ready to sit around the table
for negotiations and discuss various questions, but unfortunately
Azerbaijan refuses, for some reason or other. May be it has its own
argumentation for it. To my mind Azerbaijan has no grounds to
persistently refuse having direct relations with us.
We have said more than once that the settlement can hardly be
productive without taking into account the NKR people's opinion.
Maybe it is the unique sample of a republic in the world that is not
recognized by anyone. What are the problems connected with it? When
you look at the future what do you see? How will you achieve
recognition?
First of all, it is quite distinctly fixed in the international law
that the political situation in a republic does not depend on its
today's recognition or non-recognition. Secondly, during all these
years, since 1992, we have proved both us and the others that we want
and we are able to establish statehood, which is the basis of our
general policy in this condition as well. From this point of view, the
issue of the Nagorno Karabakh independence recognition will have a
solution sooner or later. If you have noticed, we treat different
political events taking place in our region with restraint and don't
allow ourselves to take antagonistic steps in the informational field,
and I hope it is evaluated both by the international community and our
adversary.
Besides, we suggest the other part to the conflict and other states,
who try to gamble the negotiation process of the Nagorno Karabakh
conflict settlement or use it for their national interests, treat
similarly.
It is clear that a solution of the problem is a matter of time. Time
is an irreversible category.
What will you tell or advise Turkey as the Foreign Minister of
Karabakh?
At the moment I find difficulty in giving any advice. But, anyway,
let's not forget, that Armenians and Turkey have numerous problems and
complicated knots that today influence our everyday life. I wish the
process of approach was not a matter of gambling but serious
negotiations and meetings also were held between people of two
countries, in order to make our positions clear-cut and precise and to
come to mutual understanding.
These tangled points on the whole relate not only to Armenians and the
Armenian world. In connection with the Karabakh events, I can say that
it was in the period of the modern history that Karabakhi people
raised a political question. Since 1988, in fact on the threshold of
dissolution of the USSR, we have witnessed certain events in the
territory of Azerbaijan in connection with the Armenian population: of
course passions have been fanned again, wounds opened, and if it was
not a preparatory step to commit genocide, then what was that? Today
there are different comments concerning those issues: official,
humanitarian, etc. These are the questions that seriously influence
human memories, future policy and possibilities to establish
good-neighborly relations. It's evident that nobody will leave this
territory. Common edges must be found in this territory which must be
based on human rights, as well as on the right of people in
general. This is the most significant thing.
In addition, in the present situation we see that Turkey's
high-ranking officials directly try to connect these two issues
together: Nagorno-Karabakh problem and the problem of Armenian-Turkish
relations. It does not contribute to the settlement of the problem, as
Turkey has obviously become the hostage of his promises given to
Azerbaijan in due course, and this very directly and clearly shows
that Azerbaijan exerts pressure. Willy-nilly Turkey becomes a
concerned party once again insisting, that without this, this and
that, it is impossible to achieve any positive result. This is also
perceived as a means of pressure; however any display of pressure can
hardly ensure positive results.
Thank you very much. Have you anything to add?
At the moment I have nothing to add. I think these days set the
beginning of the future, when Karabakhi officials will have an
opportunity to get in touch not only with journalists, but also with
the politicians of different countries. Restrained and calm political
dialogues and discussions will be very productive.
I'll merely add that time has a concept of irreversibility, and Turkey
also has such an experience, but everybody must have the courage to
take a sensible view of his past, his history in order to build his
future.
17:47:17 - 24/09/2009
http://www.lragir.am/engsrc/interview-l rahos15295.html
NKR Foreign Minister Georgy Petrossyan's interview to the
correspondent of the Turkish NTV TV Channel
Recently, Turkish-Armenian relations have been improved and some
protocols have been signed, etc. My first question is: how do you
treat that process from the Karabakhi part?
To tell the truth, I am not informed that these protocols have already
been signed. Let's express ourselves more correctly: according to
preliminary agreement these documents are to be presented to the
Parliaments for ratification within 6 weeks. If my data are incorrect,
you can contradict. We follow that process attentively enough, as the
country we live in should seriously follow developments like that. At
the same time I want to say that we don't even try to interfere in any
decision-making process of citizens and leadership of Armenia. Our
stance is clear-cut: we have never interfered and don't interfere in
Armenia's domestic life, although we understand that there are some
issues of All-Armenian sounding, connected with the establishment of
close relations between Turkey and Armenia that we are worried about.
Yes, those protocols have not been signed yet, but, anyhow, today if
they speak in Turkey about Armenian-Turkish relations, connected with
the protocols, Karabakh is constantly mentioned, though it is not
involved in these processes.
We wish Turkey and Turkish officials, who constantly state that
without the Karabakh issue settlement any progress is impossible, had
the same attitude. We wish these 2 issues were separated from each
other.
How will the Karabakh problem be solved, to your mind? Will you have a
meeting with Azerbaijan one day on solving the issue, or is it
possible to solve it on the international platform?
We have repeatedly stated that we are ready to sit around the table
for negotiations and discuss various questions, but unfortunately
Azerbaijan refuses, for some reason or other. May be it has its own
argumentation for it. To my mind Azerbaijan has no grounds to
persistently refuse having direct relations with us.
We have said more than once that the settlement can hardly be
productive without taking into account the NKR people's opinion.
Maybe it is the unique sample of a republic in the world that is not
recognized by anyone. What are the problems connected with it? When
you look at the future what do you see? How will you achieve
recognition?
First of all, it is quite distinctly fixed in the international law
that the political situation in a republic does not depend on its
today's recognition or non-recognition. Secondly, during all these
years, since 1992, we have proved both us and the others that we want
and we are able to establish statehood, which is the basis of our
general policy in this condition as well. From this point of view, the
issue of the Nagorno Karabakh independence recognition will have a
solution sooner or later. If you have noticed, we treat different
political events taking place in our region with restraint and don't
allow ourselves to take antagonistic steps in the informational field,
and I hope it is evaluated both by the international community and our
adversary.
Besides, we suggest the other part to the conflict and other states,
who try to gamble the negotiation process of the Nagorno Karabakh
conflict settlement or use it for their national interests, treat
similarly.
It is clear that a solution of the problem is a matter of time. Time
is an irreversible category.
What will you tell or advise Turkey as the Foreign Minister of
Karabakh?
At the moment I find difficulty in giving any advice. But, anyway,
let's not forget, that Armenians and Turkey have numerous problems and
complicated knots that today influence our everyday life. I wish the
process of approach was not a matter of gambling but serious
negotiations and meetings also were held between people of two
countries, in order to make our positions clear-cut and precise and to
come to mutual understanding.
These tangled points on the whole relate not only to Armenians and the
Armenian world. In connection with the Karabakh events, I can say that
it was in the period of the modern history that Karabakhi people
raised a political question. Since 1988, in fact on the threshold of
dissolution of the USSR, we have witnessed certain events in the
territory of Azerbaijan in connection with the Armenian population: of
course passions have been fanned again, wounds opened, and if it was
not a preparatory step to commit genocide, then what was that? Today
there are different comments concerning those issues: official,
humanitarian, etc. These are the questions that seriously influence
human memories, future policy and possibilities to establish
good-neighborly relations. It's evident that nobody will leave this
territory. Common edges must be found in this territory which must be
based on human rights, as well as on the right of people in
general. This is the most significant thing.
In addition, in the present situation we see that Turkey's
high-ranking officials directly try to connect these two issues
together: Nagorno-Karabakh problem and the problem of Armenian-Turkish
relations. It does not contribute to the settlement of the problem, as
Turkey has obviously become the hostage of his promises given to
Azerbaijan in due course, and this very directly and clearly shows
that Azerbaijan exerts pressure. Willy-nilly Turkey becomes a
concerned party once again insisting, that without this, this and
that, it is impossible to achieve any positive result. This is also
perceived as a means of pressure; however any display of pressure can
hardly ensure positive results.
Thank you very much. Have you anything to add?
At the moment I have nothing to add. I think these days set the
beginning of the future, when Karabakhi officials will have an
opportunity to get in touch not only with journalists, but also with
the politicians of different countries. Restrained and calm political
dialogues and discussions will be very productive.
I'll merely add that time has a concept of irreversibility, and Turkey
also has such an experience, but everybody must have the courage to
take a sensible view of his past, his history in order to build his
future.