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SHAME IS CONCEALING IT AND REFUSING TO STRUGGLE AGAINST IT
by Hovhannes Kiramijian
Chorrord Inknishkhanutiun
#186 (Internet Issue #965), (internet article #11235)
http://www.chi.am/news/100917/10091711.htm
September 17, 2010, Friday
The latest YouTube video remains the number one topic for discussions
in social and political circles. It's still a hot topic for debates in
various social networks.
Here's a recap: a half-naked male, most likely a serviceman, beats up
conscripts alternately by inflicting blows on their ears. The copy of
the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfOTt2znYS1c alone had
over 8000 viewers as of yesterday, and the number of comments had
grown beyond 400. Curses are dominant in the comments. The 4 minutes
and 42 seconds long footage is most likely only a chunk of all that
has happened in reality since it begins when the soldiers are already
being hit, and it ends when the other conscript comes to get his share
of the beating.
On the 2nd second of the footage one can hear "come close and take a
seat"=3B 00:12 - a cuss in Armenian=3B 1:49 - "Pour me some beer"=3B
2:01 - "That one is Bakur, right?", an old man's coarse voice "Now
what is he doing?"=3B 3:20 - "Run!" After that the soldier who was
being hit goes away to fetch water. "Come a little forward" is heard
at 3:26 - it is the offender saying it to the soldier who is squatting
a little farther from him. After that the soldier comes near and gets
a beating. There's a 3-liter plastic bottle of natural juice made in
Armenia in the video recording. On the right side of the screen,
there's a roll of toilet paper - judging by its cover it's sold at
numerous stores throughout Armenia. The conscripts and the offender
wear military uniforms used in the Armenian army. The video was
recorded on a cell-phone - the videographer can be seen hiding the
cell-phone behind some cloth, probably his uniform. Considering all
this, it can be concluded that the people in the video recording are
citizens of the Republic of Armenia and serve in the Armed Forces of
the Republic of Armenia. Below is a list of comments left by YouTube
viewers regarding the incident
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfOTt2znYS1c)
-razmik88: Whoever has uploaded the video is a traitor and must be
shot dead against a wall. Anyone can make such a video, the uniform
is sold in Vernisazh.
-snver: The murdered soldiers' blood, young men's blood has been
lately up for sale in Vernisazh. Think a little, then write. Treason
is to concealing such facts and tolerate them. The behavior of people
like yours lowers the military efficiency of our army.
-torgom91: I don't understand why you feel about - if this is
authentic Armenian footage, then that is our face. Let them see. Why
not? He has done a good job by posting it - we show what we are.
-snver: Nothing surprises in this country anymore. The President,
Prime Minister and the Ministers talk big and are capable of
pretending to be even more catholic than the Pope himself. That's why
people leave the country (at all cost), young men avoid serving for
the country (the recent incidents in the army are an evidence),
people with high scientific/scholarly potential leave the country.
-StepanGor: Bro, let's say the minister is not in his position. But
the servicemen and officers are who make the army what it is, right?
What minister are you talking about? How can that fat pig torture
those kids. Or those beasts who silently relish the situation behind
the scene or simply do nothing. Let's speak about a regular Armenian
not being in his position. There will never be "kind tzars" or kings
in life. There's no such thing. People themselves have to be stand up
for their rights. You, myself and the rest.
-ArmenAntonyan: Shame on you, Armenians, take this video out of
here. Are you the enemy of the nation or what?
-snver: Not the video ought to be removed but the Defense Minister of
the Republic of Armenia because such things are taking place in the
army. This is an order? How about the recent murders?... Those have
been orders, as well. The shame is concealing it and refusing to
struggle against it.
-serobo100: I'm already fed up - they are Azeris, not Azeris, they are
Kyrgyz, Turks=85 We see what we see: a thick neck whose face is
clearly visible humiliates other persons and tortures them. Those
people who express doubts on the authenticity of the footage in their
comments are either women or guys who have been exempt from the army
due to lunacy.
A struggle is necessary to make sure such immoral people are tried,
and not to find out who uploaded the video: Everybody's faces are
clearly visible. It just requires some work.
-arturo3312: Dear people, send this video to your friends, let
everyone watch it, someone may recognize either the soldiers or that
son of beast commander. That's the only way to find and punish him.
-tikooo1: Well, after all this go ahead and have your son join the
army. this scum should be publicly disgraced so that it becomes a
lesson for the others.
P.S. Judging by the discussions it becomes clear that a lot of people
don't understand the part of the statement made Armenia's Ministry of
Defense, where the military leadership condemns not the offender but
the one who has dared disseminate the video recording. In a normal
country, the Defense Minister would offer a reward for any information
about the video recording, whereas in Armenia everything is done so
that even someone who knows something keeps silent, forever. It is a
pity but a fact that having won the war, we're losing in the times of
peace. We won the Artsakh war because people who fought there loved
their country, their homeland. We won because if we didn't, we would
lose Artsakh, a part of Armenia. We gained victory because our freedom
fighters knew what they were dying for=3B we won because we were
fighting not for the hatred toward the enemy, rather for the love of
our homeland=3B the homeland whose soldiers are being humiliated in
the army and "commit suicide"=3B the homeland whose policemen stood up
against the people, as a result of which 10 people died=3B the
homeland where Levon Gulyan and Vahan Khalafyan died while giving
testimony to the policemen=3B and, finally, the homeland whose heroes
were sent to jail.
From: A. Papazian
by Hovhannes Kiramijian
Chorrord Inknishkhanutiun
#186 (Internet Issue #965), (internet article #11235)
http://www.chi.am/news/100917/10091711.htm
September 17, 2010, Friday
The latest YouTube video remains the number one topic for discussions
in social and political circles. It's still a hot topic for debates in
various social networks.
Here's a recap: a half-naked male, most likely a serviceman, beats up
conscripts alternately by inflicting blows on their ears. The copy of
the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfOTt2znYS1c alone had
over 8000 viewers as of yesterday, and the number of comments had
grown beyond 400. Curses are dominant in the comments. The 4 minutes
and 42 seconds long footage is most likely only a chunk of all that
has happened in reality since it begins when the soldiers are already
being hit, and it ends when the other conscript comes to get his share
of the beating.
On the 2nd second of the footage one can hear "come close and take a
seat"=3B 00:12 - a cuss in Armenian=3B 1:49 - "Pour me some beer"=3B
2:01 - "That one is Bakur, right?", an old man's coarse voice "Now
what is he doing?"=3B 3:20 - "Run!" After that the soldier who was
being hit goes away to fetch water. "Come a little forward" is heard
at 3:26 - it is the offender saying it to the soldier who is squatting
a little farther from him. After that the soldier comes near and gets
a beating. There's a 3-liter plastic bottle of natural juice made in
Armenia in the video recording. On the right side of the screen,
there's a roll of toilet paper - judging by its cover it's sold at
numerous stores throughout Armenia. The conscripts and the offender
wear military uniforms used in the Armenian army. The video was
recorded on a cell-phone - the videographer can be seen hiding the
cell-phone behind some cloth, probably his uniform. Considering all
this, it can be concluded that the people in the video recording are
citizens of the Republic of Armenia and serve in the Armed Forces of
the Republic of Armenia. Below is a list of comments left by YouTube
viewers regarding the incident
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfOTt2znYS1c)
-razmik88: Whoever has uploaded the video is a traitor and must be
shot dead against a wall. Anyone can make such a video, the uniform
is sold in Vernisazh.
-snver: The murdered soldiers' blood, young men's blood has been
lately up for sale in Vernisazh. Think a little, then write. Treason
is to concealing such facts and tolerate them. The behavior of people
like yours lowers the military efficiency of our army.
-torgom91: I don't understand why you feel about - if this is
authentic Armenian footage, then that is our face. Let them see. Why
not? He has done a good job by posting it - we show what we are.
-snver: Nothing surprises in this country anymore. The President,
Prime Minister and the Ministers talk big and are capable of
pretending to be even more catholic than the Pope himself. That's why
people leave the country (at all cost), young men avoid serving for
the country (the recent incidents in the army are an evidence),
people with high scientific/scholarly potential leave the country.
-StepanGor: Bro, let's say the minister is not in his position. But
the servicemen and officers are who make the army what it is, right?
What minister are you talking about? How can that fat pig torture
those kids. Or those beasts who silently relish the situation behind
the scene or simply do nothing. Let's speak about a regular Armenian
not being in his position. There will never be "kind tzars" or kings
in life. There's no such thing. People themselves have to be stand up
for their rights. You, myself and the rest.
-ArmenAntonyan: Shame on you, Armenians, take this video out of
here. Are you the enemy of the nation or what?
-snver: Not the video ought to be removed but the Defense Minister of
the Republic of Armenia because such things are taking place in the
army. This is an order? How about the recent murders?... Those have
been orders, as well. The shame is concealing it and refusing to
struggle against it.
-serobo100: I'm already fed up - they are Azeris, not Azeris, they are
Kyrgyz, Turks=85 We see what we see: a thick neck whose face is
clearly visible humiliates other persons and tortures them. Those
people who express doubts on the authenticity of the footage in their
comments are either women or guys who have been exempt from the army
due to lunacy.
A struggle is necessary to make sure such immoral people are tried,
and not to find out who uploaded the video: Everybody's faces are
clearly visible. It just requires some work.
-arturo3312: Dear people, send this video to your friends, let
everyone watch it, someone may recognize either the soldiers or that
son of beast commander. That's the only way to find and punish him.
-tikooo1: Well, after all this go ahead and have your son join the
army. this scum should be publicly disgraced so that it becomes a
lesson for the others.
P.S. Judging by the discussions it becomes clear that a lot of people
don't understand the part of the statement made Armenia's Ministry of
Defense, where the military leadership condemns not the offender but
the one who has dared disseminate the video recording. In a normal
country, the Defense Minister would offer a reward for any information
about the video recording, whereas in Armenia everything is done so
that even someone who knows something keeps silent, forever. It is a
pity but a fact that having won the war, we're losing in the times of
peace. We won the Artsakh war because people who fought there loved
their country, their homeland. We won because if we didn't, we would
lose Artsakh, a part of Armenia. We gained victory because our freedom
fighters knew what they were dying for=3B we won because we were
fighting not for the hatred toward the enemy, rather for the love of
our homeland=3B the homeland whose soldiers are being humiliated in
the army and "commit suicide"=3B the homeland whose policemen stood up
against the people, as a result of which 10 people died=3B the
homeland where Levon Gulyan and Vahan Khalafyan died while giving
testimony to the policemen=3B and, finally, the homeland whose heroes
were sent to jail.
From: A. Papazian