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Charles Aznavour "Shocking" Interview - Part 2
hetq
14:00, October 8, 2011
NA - In any case.
CA - They don't want to accept the fact that they took a decision to
wipe a people off the face of the earth. Thus, we cannot forget what
happened. But we must advance towards hope.
The Turks along the border aren't opposed to Armenians. The mayor of
Diyarbekir has openly stated that such recognition must happen. But
there are also those who state the opposite. The Turkish nation is
moving and moved at the funeral of Hrant Dink.
NA - And what is your opinion on Karabakh?
CA - It's part of an overall program. At a minimum, it must be made
clear whether Karabakh belonged to Azerbaijan prior to Stalin
presenting it to Baku. Is Karabakh a part of Armenia? No, it's a
sovereign country.
NA - Do you seek agreement with the authorities in Armenia before
making such pronouncements?
CA - Whenever I discuss my positions with them, they always say that I
am correct. But they do nothing. The same in France. It's not possible
to talk with the authorities whoever they are.
I do not believe that France will do anything for us. Turkey is very
important for France and we can't overlook this. France always
presents itself as powerful but come decision time it's another
matter. France will never do anything for the Armenians. We have been
in a waiting mode for the past 90 years.
And today you are waiting for miracles even though the odds are
stacked against such a thing. I do not dream. My life is proof. I have
worked. I might not possess the mental prowess to effectively
articulate what I believe but I say it nevertheless because it's what
I am thinking.
NA - Have you always been interested in politics?
CA - I am interested in politicians, both male and female. I want to
wait and see what they will do. Promises, promises. Yesterday, I
hosted my friend Besancenot. (Olivier Besancenot - French far left
political figure and trade unionist). I respect the man for his
sincerity.
NA - So, in reality, you wish to help Armenians?
CA - We must help them and the Turks. This issue between us must be
resolved is we are people with the will to do so.
NA - But the Armenians? Aren't you plundering them just a bit? Do you
hold yourself accountable?
I have spent my life plundering society. Wouldn't I do the same with
Armenians? One day my sister said to me - Do you believe that the
Turks can kill you one day?
The Armenians can do the same for the same reasons. I am a risk taker.
This is how I see reality. Will I suffer as a result? Perhaps. But let
the others show me a resolution and not just protestations.
I discussed the plight of Islamized Armenians with the RA President. I
told him something must be done because these people are neglected.
They must be helped.
We are not opposed to Islam. There are six wonderful mosques in
Armenia that were `saved' despite orders by Stalin to destroy them.
Iran is doing what it can to renovate them.
We are a nation and a nation is comprised of all different sorts; the
very good and the very bad, and all religions. It is normal that we
have Christians, Jews and Muslims. Armenia must move in this
direction, just like Europe.
NA - You have known all three presidents of Armenia. Can you tell us
your impressions?
CA - No, that's not my job. They are all men of goodwill. But
sometimes circumstances get in the way. In any case, none of the three
presidents has ever said `no' to me. Perhaps they should have on
certain occasions.
What does it mean to be Armenian today? I would like to know. What
does a diaspora Armenia mean? To eat and drink well? To own a store
and rattle on about the genocide? Is that what being an Armenian is
all about? It is just not enough.
hetq
14:00, October 8, 2011
NA - In any case.
CA - They don't want to accept the fact that they took a decision to
wipe a people off the face of the earth. Thus, we cannot forget what
happened. But we must advance towards hope.
The Turks along the border aren't opposed to Armenians. The mayor of
Diyarbekir has openly stated that such recognition must happen. But
there are also those who state the opposite. The Turkish nation is
moving and moved at the funeral of Hrant Dink.
NA - And what is your opinion on Karabakh?
CA - It's part of an overall program. At a minimum, it must be made
clear whether Karabakh belonged to Azerbaijan prior to Stalin
presenting it to Baku. Is Karabakh a part of Armenia? No, it's a
sovereign country.
NA - Do you seek agreement with the authorities in Armenia before
making such pronouncements?
CA - Whenever I discuss my positions with them, they always say that I
am correct. But they do nothing. The same in France. It's not possible
to talk with the authorities whoever they are.
I do not believe that France will do anything for us. Turkey is very
important for France and we can't overlook this. France always
presents itself as powerful but come decision time it's another
matter. France will never do anything for the Armenians. We have been
in a waiting mode for the past 90 years.
And today you are waiting for miracles even though the odds are
stacked against such a thing. I do not dream. My life is proof. I have
worked. I might not possess the mental prowess to effectively
articulate what I believe but I say it nevertheless because it's what
I am thinking.
NA - Have you always been interested in politics?
CA - I am interested in politicians, both male and female. I want to
wait and see what they will do. Promises, promises. Yesterday, I
hosted my friend Besancenot. (Olivier Besancenot - French far left
political figure and trade unionist). I respect the man for his
sincerity.
NA - So, in reality, you wish to help Armenians?
CA - We must help them and the Turks. This issue between us must be
resolved is we are people with the will to do so.
NA - But the Armenians? Aren't you plundering them just a bit? Do you
hold yourself accountable?
I have spent my life plundering society. Wouldn't I do the same with
Armenians? One day my sister said to me - Do you believe that the
Turks can kill you one day?
The Armenians can do the same for the same reasons. I am a risk taker.
This is how I see reality. Will I suffer as a result? Perhaps. But let
the others show me a resolution and not just protestations.
I discussed the plight of Islamized Armenians with the RA President. I
told him something must be done because these people are neglected.
They must be helped.
We are not opposed to Islam. There are six wonderful mosques in
Armenia that were `saved' despite orders by Stalin to destroy them.
Iran is doing what it can to renovate them.
We are a nation and a nation is comprised of all different sorts; the
very good and the very bad, and all religions. It is normal that we
have Christians, Jews and Muslims. Armenia must move in this
direction, just like Europe.
NA - You have known all three presidents of Armenia. Can you tell us
your impressions?
CA - No, that's not my job. They are all men of goodwill. But
sometimes circumstances get in the way. In any case, none of the three
presidents has ever said `no' to me. Perhaps they should have on
certain occasions.
What does it mean to be Armenian today? I would like to know. What
does a diaspora Armenia mean? To eat and drink well? To own a store
and rattle on about the genocide? Is that what being an Armenian is
all about? It is just not enough.