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Kiro Manoyan: The West's pressure may make Turkey reanimate
Armenian-Turkish protocols
Interview of Kiro Manoyan, Head of ARFD Bureau's Hay Dat and Political
Affairs Office, with ArmInfo News Agency
-
by David Stepanyan
-
Arminfo
- Saturday, August 25, 01:10
*On August 6, 2012, the House of Representatives of the State of
Massachusetts adopted a resolution submitted by State Representative
Jonathan Hecht urging "the President and Congress of the USA to support the
self-determination and democratic independence of Nagorno Karabakh". What
prospects do you think this process may have?*
Such steps are a logical result of the conducted work and are not at all
spontaneous. Before Massachusetts, a similar resolution was adopted by the
lawmakers of Rhode Island in May of the current year, which is also very
much important for recognition of the NKR independence. Of course, official
Baku is trying to console itself that such resolutions cannot affect the
foreign policy of the USA. Nevertheless, it is already clear that even if
such steps do not promote de-jure recognition of Karabakh, a community is
being formed in the political circles of the USA, which in fact has already
expressed its support to recognition of the NKR independence.
If we also take into consideration the positive assessment of several
American congressmen regarding the recent presidential election in
Karabakh, who congratulated Bako Sahakyan on re-election, we shall see that
this assessment gives extra ground to the Karabakh recognition process.
Such steps are very much important for Azerbaijan to finally understand
that it cannot hold the negotiating process hostage of its own political
poor judgment. At present they think in Baku that the NKR conflict will not
be resolved at all until Azerbaijan agrees to any option of settlement of
the conflict. There are numerous examples when after the ineffective talks
a part of the world community unilaterally recognizes independence of this
or that unrecognized but de-facto existing state. For this reason,
continuation of this process is very much important and the more similar
States in the USA and in the countries, where there are smaller management
units than a state, the faster we shall reach our goal, that is to say,
recognition of the NKR an independent state.
*What steps should Armenia take to use the Kosovo precedent in the Karabakh
peace process? *
Armenia should, first and foremost, make Azerbaijan understand that the
negotiationsfor
resolution of the Karabakh conflict cannot continue endlessly. Armenia
does not do that, unlike Azerbaijan, which does it by means of threats of
use of force. To counterbalance the trigger-happy policy of Azerbaijan,
Armenia must hint at possible change of the world community's approach to
the Karabakh peace process. This will not allow Azerbaijan and some other
countries to use the negotiations against recognition of the NKR's
independence. We are sure that over the last 12 years
applicationof
the independence principle of Nagorno Karabakh has been the key
content
of the negotiations. Consequently, recognition of Karabakh's independence
will in no way contradict the process. In addition, it will make Baku take
the negotiations more seriously.
Several months ago Foreign Minister of Uruguay Luis Almagro said that his
country was considering possible recognition of independence of the
Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Afterwards the Azeri Foreign Minister made a
trip to the countries of Latin America to
continue"conquering"
these countries to create a counterweight to the Armenian
communities. Is it possible today to seriously speak of the prospects for
recognition of the NKR by the countries of Latin America?
Recognition of Nagorno Karabakh independence even by one country will
undoubtedly promote continuation of this process by other countries. The
policy of Azerbaijan in the countries of Latin America has really become
active for the last period of time. I should say that Baku jointly with
Ankara have been actively working over the last few years. This process is
first of all regarding the countries, which have influential Armenian
communities. We see no adequate response of Yerevan to such actions of Baku
yet. Azerbaijan makes investments in these countries, participates in the
oil and gas projects, creating a platform for itself for fully-fledged
political and economic intrusion in the region. Meanwhile, Armenia, having
rather wide diplomatic channels, for instance, with Argentina, does not
fully use them. Latin America is very much important for Armenia, first of
all for its votes in international structures. Azerbaijan and Turkey
understand it very well. The time has come for Armenia to understand it too
and finally to use its rather big potential.
The civil war in Syria and the possible war against Iran demonstrate the
attempts to change the current geopolitical situation. May the
Armenian-Turkish protocols become relevant again for Washington or Ankara
given the changing situation in the region?
I do not think they can become relevant as a direct result of the changes
you have mentioned. However, the Armenian-Turkish process may become
relevant as a possible step in the current conditions. If the pressure of
the United States and Europe on Turkey starts increasing again due to the
latter's growing role in the Syrian conflict and the West's striving to
level it, Ankara will have to take certain steps to weaken this pressure
regardless of the state of the protocols on the threshold of 2015. For this
purpose, Ankara may suddenly lift the blockade from Armenia, but it may
also suddenly impose the blockade again. And we should always remember
that.
At the same time, I do not think that a war may start against Iran in the
classical sense of the word. The West itself is thinking over its further
steps against Iran, and this is proved by the slow actions of the United
States, Hillary Clinton's visit to Turkey, etc. Libya is a perfect example
of what an uncontrolled revolution can lead to, and I think the West has
taken this example into consideration. At the same time, the Syrian
scenario in Iran is also low probable for a number of important reasons.
Bombing-missile attacks are most likely to be applied against Iran.
However, in any case, all these regional changes may become the reason of
pressure on Ankara. If Turkey had an opportunity, it would have brought
its troops to Syria long ago under the guise of NATO. But this did not
happen, as we see. Therefore, I think that the West will always have a
reason to temperate the growing appetites of the Turkish partners in NATO.
The NKR Prime Minister Ara Haroutyunyan has recently expressed the NKR's
willingness to put up the Armenians of Syria, provide them with living
conditions, and give them an opportunity to receive free education in
Artsakh. Afterwards, the Foreign Ministry of Azerbaijan announced that the
migration of Syrian Armenians to Karabakh was illegal. Do you think the
settlement of the liberated lands of Artsakh with our compatriots may
stimulate implementation of a global project on settlement of Karabakh?
The direct problem No 1 for the Armenians today is to ensure the safety of
Syrian Armenians. I am convinced that there are Armenians in Syria who want
to leave that country at present. I understand the readiness of the NKR
authorities to receive guests from Syria. But I think that it is not
correct to receive a man, which is within a hair of death in Aleppo, for
permanent residence in Nagorno Karabakh, as we don't know if he will stay
there tomorrow. That is to say, the problems of repatriation and safety of
Syrian Armenians must be fully separated from each other. As for the aid to
the repatriates, it should be undoubtedly done. As for the population of
the liberated territories, it is clear that if the population of the NKR
were 300-500 thsd people, in that case the Armenian party to the
negotiating process would speak to Baku in an absolutely different language.
At present the world community understands the desire of the Armenians of
the whole world to declare an independent state at the territory of the
former Nagorno Karabakh Autonomous Region populated by Armenians, but it
does not understand our desire to join the low-populated liberated
territories to the NKR. We, Armenians, understand them, but not everybody
understands them so well as we do. For this reason, everything possible
should be done for the Karabakh residents to be able to openly populate
their own territories the way they like. Undoubtedly, settlement of these
territories will become an extra lever of the Armenian party to the talks
on the NKR settlement.
Since 1992-93 the Armenian authorities have been trying to make a good
impression at all the talks not only on Karabakh. Today, this has turned
into one of the key foreign policy goals and the authorities of Armenia
have been doing everything possible to escape displeasure of western
partners. I think that the problem of population of the territories is just
one of such problems. If our authorities were confident that their own
people would support them, they would not need a good opinion from outside.
Unfortunately, our authorities do not have such support. For this reason,
the situation around Karabakh still fails to meet the interests of the
Armenians.
Armenian-Turkish protocols
Interview of Kiro Manoyan, Head of ARFD Bureau's Hay Dat and Political
Affairs Office, with ArmInfo News Agency
-
by David Stepanyan
-
Arminfo
- Saturday, August 25, 01:10
*On August 6, 2012, the House of Representatives of the State of
Massachusetts adopted a resolution submitted by State Representative
Jonathan Hecht urging "the President and Congress of the USA to support the
self-determination and democratic independence of Nagorno Karabakh". What
prospects do you think this process may have?*
Such steps are a logical result of the conducted work and are not at all
spontaneous. Before Massachusetts, a similar resolution was adopted by the
lawmakers of Rhode Island in May of the current year, which is also very
much important for recognition of the NKR independence. Of course, official
Baku is trying to console itself that such resolutions cannot affect the
foreign policy of the USA. Nevertheless, it is already clear that even if
such steps do not promote de-jure recognition of Karabakh, a community is
being formed in the political circles of the USA, which in fact has already
expressed its support to recognition of the NKR independence.
If we also take into consideration the positive assessment of several
American congressmen regarding the recent presidential election in
Karabakh, who congratulated Bako Sahakyan on re-election, we shall see that
this assessment gives extra ground to the Karabakh recognition process.
Such steps are very much important for Azerbaijan to finally understand
that it cannot hold the negotiating process hostage of its own political
poor judgment. At present they think in Baku that the NKR conflict will not
be resolved at all until Azerbaijan agrees to any option of settlement of
the conflict. There are numerous examples when after the ineffective talks
a part of the world community unilaterally recognizes independence of this
or that unrecognized but de-facto existing state. For this reason,
continuation of this process is very much important and the more similar
States in the USA and in the countries, where there are smaller management
units than a state, the faster we shall reach our goal, that is to say,
recognition of the NKR an independent state.
*What steps should Armenia take to use the Kosovo precedent in the Karabakh
peace process? *
Armenia should, first and foremost, make Azerbaijan understand that the
negotiationsfor
resolution of the Karabakh conflict cannot continue endlessly. Armenia
does not do that, unlike Azerbaijan, which does it by means of threats of
use of force. To counterbalance the trigger-happy policy of Azerbaijan,
Armenia must hint at possible change of the world community's approach to
the Karabakh peace process. This will not allow Azerbaijan and some other
countries to use the negotiations against recognition of the NKR's
independence. We are sure that over the last 12 years
applicationof
the independence principle of Nagorno Karabakh has been the key
content
of the negotiations. Consequently, recognition of Karabakh's independence
will in no way contradict the process. In addition, it will make Baku take
the negotiations more seriously.
Several months ago Foreign Minister of Uruguay Luis Almagro said that his
country was considering possible recognition of independence of the
Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Afterwards the Azeri Foreign Minister made a
trip to the countries of Latin America to
continue"conquering"
these countries to create a counterweight to the Armenian
communities. Is it possible today to seriously speak of the prospects for
recognition of the NKR by the countries of Latin America?
Recognition of Nagorno Karabakh independence even by one country will
undoubtedly promote continuation of this process by other countries. The
policy of Azerbaijan in the countries of Latin America has really become
active for the last period of time. I should say that Baku jointly with
Ankara have been actively working over the last few years. This process is
first of all regarding the countries, which have influential Armenian
communities. We see no adequate response of Yerevan to such actions of Baku
yet. Azerbaijan makes investments in these countries, participates in the
oil and gas projects, creating a platform for itself for fully-fledged
political and economic intrusion in the region. Meanwhile, Armenia, having
rather wide diplomatic channels, for instance, with Argentina, does not
fully use them. Latin America is very much important for Armenia, first of
all for its votes in international structures. Azerbaijan and Turkey
understand it very well. The time has come for Armenia to understand it too
and finally to use its rather big potential.
The civil war in Syria and the possible war against Iran demonstrate the
attempts to change the current geopolitical situation. May the
Armenian-Turkish protocols become relevant again for Washington or Ankara
given the changing situation in the region?
I do not think they can become relevant as a direct result of the changes
you have mentioned. However, the Armenian-Turkish process may become
relevant as a possible step in the current conditions. If the pressure of
the United States and Europe on Turkey starts increasing again due to the
latter's growing role in the Syrian conflict and the West's striving to
level it, Ankara will have to take certain steps to weaken this pressure
regardless of the state of the protocols on the threshold of 2015. For this
purpose, Ankara may suddenly lift the blockade from Armenia, but it may
also suddenly impose the blockade again. And we should always remember
that.
At the same time, I do not think that a war may start against Iran in the
classical sense of the word. The West itself is thinking over its further
steps against Iran, and this is proved by the slow actions of the United
States, Hillary Clinton's visit to Turkey, etc. Libya is a perfect example
of what an uncontrolled revolution can lead to, and I think the West has
taken this example into consideration. At the same time, the Syrian
scenario in Iran is also low probable for a number of important reasons.
Bombing-missile attacks are most likely to be applied against Iran.
However, in any case, all these regional changes may become the reason of
pressure on Ankara. If Turkey had an opportunity, it would have brought
its troops to Syria long ago under the guise of NATO. But this did not
happen, as we see. Therefore, I think that the West will always have a
reason to temperate the growing appetites of the Turkish partners in NATO.
The NKR Prime Minister Ara Haroutyunyan has recently expressed the NKR's
willingness to put up the Armenians of Syria, provide them with living
conditions, and give them an opportunity to receive free education in
Artsakh. Afterwards, the Foreign Ministry of Azerbaijan announced that the
migration of Syrian Armenians to Karabakh was illegal. Do you think the
settlement of the liberated lands of Artsakh with our compatriots may
stimulate implementation of a global project on settlement of Karabakh?
The direct problem No 1 for the Armenians today is to ensure the safety of
Syrian Armenians. I am convinced that there are Armenians in Syria who want
to leave that country at present. I understand the readiness of the NKR
authorities to receive guests from Syria. But I think that it is not
correct to receive a man, which is within a hair of death in Aleppo, for
permanent residence in Nagorno Karabakh, as we don't know if he will stay
there tomorrow. That is to say, the problems of repatriation and safety of
Syrian Armenians must be fully separated from each other. As for the aid to
the repatriates, it should be undoubtedly done. As for the population of
the liberated territories, it is clear that if the population of the NKR
were 300-500 thsd people, in that case the Armenian party to the
negotiating process would speak to Baku in an absolutely different language.
At present the world community understands the desire of the Armenians of
the whole world to declare an independent state at the territory of the
former Nagorno Karabakh Autonomous Region populated by Armenians, but it
does not understand our desire to join the low-populated liberated
territories to the NKR. We, Armenians, understand them, but not everybody
understands them so well as we do. For this reason, everything possible
should be done for the Karabakh residents to be able to openly populate
their own territories the way they like. Undoubtedly, settlement of these
territories will become an extra lever of the Armenian party to the talks
on the NKR settlement.
Since 1992-93 the Armenian authorities have been trying to make a good
impression at all the talks not only on Karabakh. Today, this has turned
into one of the key foreign policy goals and the authorities of Armenia
have been doing everything possible to escape displeasure of western
partners. I think that the problem of population of the territories is just
one of such problems. If our authorities were confident that their own
people would support them, they would not need a good opinion from outside.
Unfortunately, our authorities do not have such support. For this reason,
the situation around Karabakh still fails to meet the interests of the
Armenians.