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ANC's Yerjanik Abgaryan: `Tough problems with businessmen are solved
with compromising evidences at Baghramyan 26'
http://168.am/en/2012/10/04/133314.html
By Tigranuhi Martirosyan | 14:56 October 4, 2012 -
You have told the 168 hours that all political powers, besides the
ANC, are cutting political deals with the government. What deals do
you mean?
- What I mean is that the heads of those political powers are in
personal contact and relations with the one who has captured the seat
of the president in order to back both their status and the businesses
of their partners. They have been a part of this government through
the formation of this cleptocratic regime and they still continue
similar relations with those groups. They are doing this through a
policy of alternative opposition or alternative policies, which helps
them develop relations with the government. My question is: how can
there be civilized relations between law-abiding people and those who
have thrown the statehood into deep crisis?
- A number of representatives from the Prosperous Armenia, including
the spokesman, have said that they support the change of this
government. Do you think it is possible that the Republican party may
compromise the prime-minister's seat to the PA?
- The empty and nonsense words of the incumbent prime-minister have
failed his attempts to present himself as an intellectual professional
and even the top officials of the cleptocratic regime want to get rid
of him as soon as possible. I think he may be dismissed from that
position even before the upcoming elections. However, I don't see any
reasons that would make the so-called RPA criminal and oligarchic
party compromise that position to anyone else. Due to falsified
elections they have majority in the parliament and if they compromise
this position, it will be a big question as it will be a big deal with
someone else. But such solution now can be a reason for clashes
between the Karabakhi clan in Armenia and the local clans that are yet
starting to enroot here (of course if people don't wake up by that
time and don't kick all of them out of here).
- After a recent meeting of the president in the government and his
critics the prime-minister made some changes in the government, which
was mostly in the department of state procurements. What is the target
of these actions? Do you share the opinion that this is a show?
- He accused the official that has been working under his control
during the past four years for not `killing the head of the problem'
and instead of that tackling the problems and lingering actions. Well,
we could understand him if actions were taken but there was some
delay, but it's about crimes of billions. Now it turns out that the
leaders of the state knew about those violations and waited till a
good time would come to use it for PR. During that meeting Serzhik
Sargsyan put both himself and the prime-minister under an accusation
in crimes. However, I believe that this was a demonstrated show on the
part of the people that can break the destiny of people to parts, and
the number of such people has become even more during the past 10-15
years.
- In an interview you said that the ANC should be careful in relation
to the PA. Why?
- I said that generally they have to be careful in collaborative
relations. In other words, in politics they make commitments, and they
must be very careful about it.
- Do you think the ANC and PA may join and bring up one candidate for
presidency?
- It is only the PA that still does not show signs about it decision;
the other parties have made it certain what they are going to do.
Currently the political sector is divided into many parts, and it is
not excluded that things may change and alliances may originate as the
election day approaches. The PA has forced itself in a difficult
situation and is playing cheap games.
They don't know anything but they act like they know everything.
Ultimately Tsarukyan will have to figure out if he is being nominated
or wants to cut deals with Sargsyan. Theoretically it is possible that
there may be cooperation with the ANC too, but there are questions
that only Tsarukyan can answer.
He should understand that such tricky behavior is no good. Tough
problems with businessmen are solved with compromising evidences at
Baghramyan 26, and this is not a trading of gas where the air can be
sold for money too. To some point I think it is clear that the
opposition powers are not going to endorse one candidate and I think
it is positive in this situation. All political powers have a
historical responsibility against the Armenian nation to stop the
collapse of statehood. I think that dealing with this reality they
should ignore all stereotypes and prejudices and work together to
break this Karabakh clan and the powers serving for their interests. I
think that it is the right time to start negotiations between those
parties to define the strategy and tactics of the future struggle.
- Will the PA support the ANC's candidate or the vice versa?
- You should ask that question to the PA. The other part will be
answered by the ANC representatives.
- What do you think about a possible joint candidate for the
opposition? Is there anyone for this role?
- You are asking ridiculous questions. A joint candidate can come up
only in case elections go to the second phase. Are you suspicious that
we can find a good candidate that will be better than those
governmental servants that have been sold to foreigners? The one and
joint candidate I imagine now is Levon Ter-Petrosyan.
- Rumors say that the second president Robert Kocharyan may be
involved in the presidential election process. You have said that
whatever Kocharyan does, he can never be back to power. Do you still
think so?
- I don't see him in that process. I don't believe in competition
between that couple. People have seen him shedding blood. Also,
Kocharyan has left so many ruins after his tenure that many
generations yet to come will remember that. Only that fact that he
gave the most important strategic objects and properties of Armenia to
a foreign country against so much debt borrowed is enough to put his
name in the same list of historical people famous with treason to the
state. Kocharyan has given special roles in this treason to his
partner and brother Serzhik.
From: A. Papazian
with compromising evidences at Baghramyan 26'
http://168.am/en/2012/10/04/133314.html
By Tigranuhi Martirosyan | 14:56 October 4, 2012 -
You have told the 168 hours that all political powers, besides the
ANC, are cutting political deals with the government. What deals do
you mean?
- What I mean is that the heads of those political powers are in
personal contact and relations with the one who has captured the seat
of the president in order to back both their status and the businesses
of their partners. They have been a part of this government through
the formation of this cleptocratic regime and they still continue
similar relations with those groups. They are doing this through a
policy of alternative opposition or alternative policies, which helps
them develop relations with the government. My question is: how can
there be civilized relations between law-abiding people and those who
have thrown the statehood into deep crisis?
- A number of representatives from the Prosperous Armenia, including
the spokesman, have said that they support the change of this
government. Do you think it is possible that the Republican party may
compromise the prime-minister's seat to the PA?
- The empty and nonsense words of the incumbent prime-minister have
failed his attempts to present himself as an intellectual professional
and even the top officials of the cleptocratic regime want to get rid
of him as soon as possible. I think he may be dismissed from that
position even before the upcoming elections. However, I don't see any
reasons that would make the so-called RPA criminal and oligarchic
party compromise that position to anyone else. Due to falsified
elections they have majority in the parliament and if they compromise
this position, it will be a big question as it will be a big deal with
someone else. But such solution now can be a reason for clashes
between the Karabakhi clan in Armenia and the local clans that are yet
starting to enroot here (of course if people don't wake up by that
time and don't kick all of them out of here).
- After a recent meeting of the president in the government and his
critics the prime-minister made some changes in the government, which
was mostly in the department of state procurements. What is the target
of these actions? Do you share the opinion that this is a show?
- He accused the official that has been working under his control
during the past four years for not `killing the head of the problem'
and instead of that tackling the problems and lingering actions. Well,
we could understand him if actions were taken but there was some
delay, but it's about crimes of billions. Now it turns out that the
leaders of the state knew about those violations and waited till a
good time would come to use it for PR. During that meeting Serzhik
Sargsyan put both himself and the prime-minister under an accusation
in crimes. However, I believe that this was a demonstrated show on the
part of the people that can break the destiny of people to parts, and
the number of such people has become even more during the past 10-15
years.
- In an interview you said that the ANC should be careful in relation
to the PA. Why?
- I said that generally they have to be careful in collaborative
relations. In other words, in politics they make commitments, and they
must be very careful about it.
- Do you think the ANC and PA may join and bring up one candidate for
presidency?
- It is only the PA that still does not show signs about it decision;
the other parties have made it certain what they are going to do.
Currently the political sector is divided into many parts, and it is
not excluded that things may change and alliances may originate as the
election day approaches. The PA has forced itself in a difficult
situation and is playing cheap games.
They don't know anything but they act like they know everything.
Ultimately Tsarukyan will have to figure out if he is being nominated
or wants to cut deals with Sargsyan. Theoretically it is possible that
there may be cooperation with the ANC too, but there are questions
that only Tsarukyan can answer.
He should understand that such tricky behavior is no good. Tough
problems with businessmen are solved with compromising evidences at
Baghramyan 26, and this is not a trading of gas where the air can be
sold for money too. To some point I think it is clear that the
opposition powers are not going to endorse one candidate and I think
it is positive in this situation. All political powers have a
historical responsibility against the Armenian nation to stop the
collapse of statehood. I think that dealing with this reality they
should ignore all stereotypes and prejudices and work together to
break this Karabakh clan and the powers serving for their interests. I
think that it is the right time to start negotiations between those
parties to define the strategy and tactics of the future struggle.
- Will the PA support the ANC's candidate or the vice versa?
- You should ask that question to the PA. The other part will be
answered by the ANC representatives.
- What do you think about a possible joint candidate for the
opposition? Is there anyone for this role?
- You are asking ridiculous questions. A joint candidate can come up
only in case elections go to the second phase. Are you suspicious that
we can find a good candidate that will be better than those
governmental servants that have been sold to foreigners? The one and
joint candidate I imagine now is Levon Ter-Petrosyan.
- Rumors say that the second president Robert Kocharyan may be
involved in the presidential election process. You have said that
whatever Kocharyan does, he can never be back to power. Do you still
think so?
- I don't see him in that process. I don't believe in competition
between that couple. People have seen him shedding blood. Also,
Kocharyan has left so many ruins after his tenure that many
generations yet to come will remember that. Only that fact that he
gave the most important strategic objects and properties of Armenia to
a foreign country against so much debt borrowed is enough to put his
name in the same list of historical people famous with treason to the
state. Kocharyan has given special roles in this treason to his
partner and brother Serzhik.
From: A. Papazian