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WHAT IS TO BE DONE BY POLICE IS DONE WITH THE HELP OF FASCHISM
Karine Ionesyan
12:38 06/03/2013
Story from Lragir.am News:
http://www.lragir.am/index.php/eng/0/interview/view/29194
Interview with the ex-presidential candidate Andrias Ghukasyan
What are your conclusions when you analyze your hunger strike in the
post-electoral period?
The CIS observers ignored, the observers of the Council of Europe too.
I had meetings with the OSCE/ODIHR and the PACE mission. Both
groups ignored my hunger strike in their political statements, and
no proposals followed my demands. The situation in the country is a
little different. I met with the representatives of all the political
forces. As to the issue that I brought up, it did not undergo a
discussion by the political forces. To sum up, this question is
among issues which the other states and our political parties do not
discuss because it is a commonly understood and familiar issue that is
ascribed to the other post-soviet states. In other words, different
groups came to government in the result of an anti-constitutional
process which have formed criminal-oligarchic or autocratic systems
and misuse public and national property, enjoying international
legitimacy and being defined as transition to democracy. However, we
forget that transition cannot last for 20 years. There is, obviously,
a political crisis, people have lost their confidence in the state,
the political parties, international organizations and countries. The
purpose of the hunger strike was to wake up will in people to stop
tolerating everything, and it happened, people woke up.
In other words, did your hunger strike affect the election results?
I wouldn't like to link the hunger strike to the votes Raffi received
but the climate has changed, and thanks to the hunger strike people
saw the question - should they continue to live in hatred or revolt?
People revolted and continue to revolt. Today people are thinking
about how to come together to rid of the regime. Public activities
meet my expectations. Day after day a more creative and encouraging
climate is created and people feel they are capable of fight.
An interesting situation has occurred because people with different
political views, people who are not members of any party, have united.
Today Raffi can step towards a new political reality but it is obvious
that after Raffi the political figures must be replaced by new people.
There is already confidence in joint action, and the number of votes
received by Raffi empowers people because a unified policy is visible
which the opposition has lacked for a long time. There are concerns
that the ruling party will split the movement with the help of its
propaganda. Everyone has such concerns, and now all the questions
need to be answered: what is revolution, why is it necessary, what
is the goal, the way, the resources? I see no other way for Raffi -
he must do the revolution.
Is this the reason why you applied to the RA Constitutional Court?
My application has an auxiliary role. Serzh Sargsyan's withdrawal
must be demanded, actions must be taken by April 9 to prevent his
inauguration.
How is it possible to get out of the political crisis?
The ruling political forces have a change to appoint a new election to
relieve the crisis? New elections will enable new arrangements in the
political field, which is a way of getting out of the crisis. If it
is not done in 10 days, it means they accept the challenge and will
prevent the spirit that has awakened people and directed them to a
revolution whose only resource is the media. As long as the vision of
cooperation with the EU is in sight, the regime will try to refrain
from violence or political persecution. These resources are not deemed
sufficient by the regime. Options of using force and buying political
figures must be discussed at some places. This is the toolkit of the
government in revolutionary developments. The government uses violent
force to warn not to revolt. In 10 days the political forces will
decide to take to the side of the regime or people. In other words,
either they board Titanic and sink or take to the side of people. The
other camp will certainly consider this team as titanic.
Will people get disappointed if Raffi Hovannisian decides to stop
the struggle or is there consciousness of the need to struggle?
Raffi is a political symbol today, the embodiment of over 500,000
voters. Today I can see will in Raffi. Raffi came and said people you
won. It means that our political system has gone a step ahead and
puts responsibility on people. The public are not football viewers
to get disappointed with the game of the team.
What is your opinion on the policy of setting young people against
one another, especially at the latest class strike?
The ruling forces worry about the spread of the civic revolt. If you
see 30 activists and 300 policemen, the policemen are not there because
the activists are dangerous. Those 30 are most eminent citizens of
our countries, and one policeman would be enough. 300 policemen are
there to prevent other people from joining. As to hiring groups,
it is an old method. This method was used when they asked people
who they wanted to set free, Jesus or Barabbas, and people hired by
Jewish priests cried the name of Barabbas. The highest expression of
the method is initiation of fascist movements because when there is
no other argument against law, they can say the national interest is
higher than law.
Serzh Sargsyan's regime has stronger inclination for fascism than
other political forces, which is a paradox. On the one hand, Sargsyan
is more committed to reforms than others. He has a record of foreign
congratulations. On the other hand, Armenia has never been as close
to fascism as now. Serzh refrains from use of force, gets compliments
from the West and has to form fascist forces in the country. What
was to be done through policemen is done with the help of fascism.
Could the consequences be more tragic than March 1?
Definitely! When you are helpless and you want to use force for
self-accomplishment, you artificially create negative forces to destroy
your opponent. But you forget that after the task is complete, the
same people will destroy the president then themselves. It would
be more positive for Armenia to fight against the autocracy than
pseudo-democracy because the first is clear, the second is blurred.
The police are under state control, fascist groups are beyond law and
they can kill anyone. The attempt on Paruir Hairikyan is a typical
expression. The stronger civic activity, the stronger fascism will
become under the aegis of the ruling party. We witnessed this model
a few days ago. The university official, the government official,
the artificially formed group of executors was standing there, and
as one looks at their faces, one feels they have nothing in common
with education. They did not have weapons on that day. On another day
they may have sticks, knives... This can still be prevented if it is
kept in sight because fascism is like mould, cockroaches which like
darkness and they must be kept in the light because they will die if
kept in the light.
Karine Ionesyan
12:38 06/03/2013
Story from Lragir.am News:
http://www.lragir.am/index.php/eng/0/interview/view/29194
Interview with the ex-presidential candidate Andrias Ghukasyan
What are your conclusions when you analyze your hunger strike in the
post-electoral period?
The CIS observers ignored, the observers of the Council of Europe too.
I had meetings with the OSCE/ODIHR and the PACE mission. Both
groups ignored my hunger strike in their political statements, and
no proposals followed my demands. The situation in the country is a
little different. I met with the representatives of all the political
forces. As to the issue that I brought up, it did not undergo a
discussion by the political forces. To sum up, this question is
among issues which the other states and our political parties do not
discuss because it is a commonly understood and familiar issue that is
ascribed to the other post-soviet states. In other words, different
groups came to government in the result of an anti-constitutional
process which have formed criminal-oligarchic or autocratic systems
and misuse public and national property, enjoying international
legitimacy and being defined as transition to democracy. However, we
forget that transition cannot last for 20 years. There is, obviously,
a political crisis, people have lost their confidence in the state,
the political parties, international organizations and countries. The
purpose of the hunger strike was to wake up will in people to stop
tolerating everything, and it happened, people woke up.
In other words, did your hunger strike affect the election results?
I wouldn't like to link the hunger strike to the votes Raffi received
but the climate has changed, and thanks to the hunger strike people
saw the question - should they continue to live in hatred or revolt?
People revolted and continue to revolt. Today people are thinking
about how to come together to rid of the regime. Public activities
meet my expectations. Day after day a more creative and encouraging
climate is created and people feel they are capable of fight.
An interesting situation has occurred because people with different
political views, people who are not members of any party, have united.
Today Raffi can step towards a new political reality but it is obvious
that after Raffi the political figures must be replaced by new people.
There is already confidence in joint action, and the number of votes
received by Raffi empowers people because a unified policy is visible
which the opposition has lacked for a long time. There are concerns
that the ruling party will split the movement with the help of its
propaganda. Everyone has such concerns, and now all the questions
need to be answered: what is revolution, why is it necessary, what
is the goal, the way, the resources? I see no other way for Raffi -
he must do the revolution.
Is this the reason why you applied to the RA Constitutional Court?
My application has an auxiliary role. Serzh Sargsyan's withdrawal
must be demanded, actions must be taken by April 9 to prevent his
inauguration.
How is it possible to get out of the political crisis?
The ruling political forces have a change to appoint a new election to
relieve the crisis? New elections will enable new arrangements in the
political field, which is a way of getting out of the crisis. If it
is not done in 10 days, it means they accept the challenge and will
prevent the spirit that has awakened people and directed them to a
revolution whose only resource is the media. As long as the vision of
cooperation with the EU is in sight, the regime will try to refrain
from violence or political persecution. These resources are not deemed
sufficient by the regime. Options of using force and buying political
figures must be discussed at some places. This is the toolkit of the
government in revolutionary developments. The government uses violent
force to warn not to revolt. In 10 days the political forces will
decide to take to the side of the regime or people. In other words,
either they board Titanic and sink or take to the side of people. The
other camp will certainly consider this team as titanic.
Will people get disappointed if Raffi Hovannisian decides to stop
the struggle or is there consciousness of the need to struggle?
Raffi is a political symbol today, the embodiment of over 500,000
voters. Today I can see will in Raffi. Raffi came and said people you
won. It means that our political system has gone a step ahead and
puts responsibility on people. The public are not football viewers
to get disappointed with the game of the team.
What is your opinion on the policy of setting young people against
one another, especially at the latest class strike?
The ruling forces worry about the spread of the civic revolt. If you
see 30 activists and 300 policemen, the policemen are not there because
the activists are dangerous. Those 30 are most eminent citizens of
our countries, and one policeman would be enough. 300 policemen are
there to prevent other people from joining. As to hiring groups,
it is an old method. This method was used when they asked people
who they wanted to set free, Jesus or Barabbas, and people hired by
Jewish priests cried the name of Barabbas. The highest expression of
the method is initiation of fascist movements because when there is
no other argument against law, they can say the national interest is
higher than law.
Serzh Sargsyan's regime has stronger inclination for fascism than
other political forces, which is a paradox. On the one hand, Sargsyan
is more committed to reforms than others. He has a record of foreign
congratulations. On the other hand, Armenia has never been as close
to fascism as now. Serzh refrains from use of force, gets compliments
from the West and has to form fascist forces in the country. What
was to be done through policemen is done with the help of fascism.
Could the consequences be more tragic than March 1?
Definitely! When you are helpless and you want to use force for
self-accomplishment, you artificially create negative forces to destroy
your opponent. But you forget that after the task is complete, the
same people will destroy the president then themselves. It would
be more positive for Armenia to fight against the autocracy than
pseudo-democracy because the first is clear, the second is blurred.
The police are under state control, fascist groups are beyond law and
they can kill anyone. The attempt on Paruir Hairikyan is a typical
expression. The stronger civic activity, the stronger fascism will
become under the aegis of the ruling party. We witnessed this model
a few days ago. The university official, the government official,
the artificially formed group of executors was standing there, and
as one looks at their faces, one feels they have nothing in common
with education. They did not have weapons on that day. On another day
they may have sticks, knives... This can still be prevented if it is
kept in sight because fascism is like mould, cockroaches which like
darkness and they must be kept in the light because they will die if
kept in the light.