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FESTIVAL OF FALSEHOODS
By Marsha Skrypuch, Ontario, 5 February 2014
On Feb. 4 "Hurriyet" daily of Turkey published an article titled "The
Armenian Diaspora and the Memory of 205 Turks in Canada" by columnist
Barcin Yinanc. The fatuous article was riddled with outright lies,
half-truths and distortions. Here's a categorical reply to Yinanc by
Marsha Skrypuch, author of five books set in the Genocide of Armenians
and two books set in the WWI Canadian internment operations.--Editor
"Three years ago I went skiing in the Banff National Park in Canada.
At that time I did not know that Turks who were incarcerated during
World War I were perhaps among those who helped build the park!"
MARSHA SKRYPUCH: This is incorrect. There was one person from the
Ottoman Empire interned at Banff: J. Camilbeck--an Assyiran, not an
ethnic Turk. Assyrians were persecuted by the Ottoman government and
the Young Turk government. (Source: Roll Call can be downloaded and
searched at http://uccla.ca/sources.htm )
"I just recently discovered that during the First World War, "enemy
aliens (nationals of Germany and of the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish
Empires)" MS: There was no such empire as the Turkish Empire in
WWI. There was an Ottoman Empire.
"were subject to internment. Of 8,579 men at 24 camps across Canada,
5,954 were of Austro-Hungarian origin, including 5,000 Ukrainians;
2009 were Germans, 205 were Turks.
MS: My count is actually 135 from the Ottoman Empire, but this does
not make them ethnic Turks. Virtually all of those interned who
came to Canada from the Ottoman Empire were from persecuted minority
groups--mostly Alevi Kurds, although there were some Assyrians and
a few Armenians.
"and 99 were Bulgarians. All endured hunger and forced labor, helping
to build some of Canada's best-known landmarks such as the Banff
National Park, according to the Canadian Encyclopedia."
MS: Those who were interned from cities were already enduring hunger.
those who had stayed in the Ottoman Empire would likely have died
not only because of the war but because the Young Turk triumvirate
had decided upon the destruction of citizens who were not ethnic Turks.
"These Turks"
MS: They were not Turks. They were immigrants from the Ottoman Empire.
"used to live in Bradford."
MS: Brantford in Ontario.
"All 200"
MS: The correct overall figure is 135, but not all of them lived in
Brantford. Approximately 100 lived in Brantford.
"or so were picked up one night"
MS: Arrested because of an unfounded rumor that they had tried to
blow up the local post office in an act of treason. This assertion
was soon dropped. Those who had citizenship papers were let go. Those
who didn't were interned. They were fed and likely ate better than
they had in months. Residents from enemy countries who had not become
naturalized Canadians were subject to restrictions in time of war.
Some were interned while others had to report regularly to the local
authorities. Those who were interned did do hard labour but were
credited 25 cents a day, which could be redeemed at the camp store.
They were fed and housed.
"and sent to a camp north of Ontario."
MS: The camp was not north of Ontario. It was in Northern
Ontario--Kapuskasing, Ontario.
"They spent five years there."
MS: Most spent less than two years. Many were paroled and worked
in factories, some in the St. Catharines area of Southern Ontario,
near Brantford.
"Some died there."
MS: One Ottoman internee died while in Kapuskasing, Ontario. His name
was Alex Hassan, an Alevi Kurd, not an ethnic Turk.
"Others came back to Bradford."
MS: Brantford. There is also no documentation that any returned
to Brantford.
"There is a burial site in the city where the bodies of some of those
who came back are believed to be."
MS: This is inaccurate. In Mount Hope cemetery, close to the Armenian
section, is a section where Alevi Kurds are buried. When comparing
the names of people buried in this plot, there is no exact match to
the names of known internees. There are three similar names but in
all three cases, the names are classic Alevi Kurd names. In short:
it would be a lie to claim that ethnic Turk internees are buried here.
"This year marks the centenary of the start of World War I. So the
Turkish ambassador to Canada, just like his other Italian or German
colleagues, decided to start an initiative to commemorate the Turks
that suffered in the detention camps."
MS: Except that there is no documentation of any ethnic Turks who
were interned in Canada.
"The response of the local municipality to the wish to mark the place
with a plaque was positive at first, yet local authorities appear to
be hesitating in backing this purely humanitarian initiative."
MS: If this were a humanitarian initiative the Turkish ambassador
would have acknowledged the true ethnicity of these people. This is
clearly a propaganda effort and it was recognized as such by local
(Brantford) authorities.
"No doubt the Armenian community is behind it."
MS: While there is no documentation that ethnic Turks were interned,
there is documentation of a few Armenians who were interned. For this
reason it would be natural for the Armenian community to be interested
in the subject.
I must point out that I am not Armenian. My heritage is Irish/French
on my mother's side and Ukrainian on my father's side. My own
Ukrainian grandfather was interned in WWI in Jasper Alberta. I find
the ambassador's entire charade to be disrespectful of the memory and
hardship that the true internees were subjected to. I resent having
my own grandfather's tragedy used as a political tool by the Turkish
ambassador in his quest to deny the Armenian Genocide.
"They think this is an effort to derail their lobbying activities!"
MS: It is fairly clear that the ambassador wishes to label these
non-Turks in order to use them as a propaganda tool.
"Turkish historian Taner Akcam, who claims that the World War I mass
killings of Armenians by Ottoman hands was genocide, talks about a
"denial industry" in Turkey. I would not contest it, except that the
same is also true for the Armenian diaspora. Their industry is about
closing all eyes and ears to anything that can question genocide."
MS: The writer is fabricating again. Since there is no documentation
of Turks interned in Canada, it is the Turks who are shutting their
eyes to the truth.
"But this industry goes as far as "obstructing anything Turks do;
hating anything Turkish."
MS: This is incorrect. There are many stories passed down from
survivors of the Genocide of Armenians about Turks who saved their
Armenian neighbors from destruction, even risking their own lives to
do so. Virtually every survivor heard of at least one of these noble
Turks. Why can't the Turkish government acknowledge the Genocide of
the past? People alive today did not commit it, but by this continual
denial there can never be healing between Turks and Armenians. If
the ambassador wants a 100th anniversary story to highlight Turkish
history, let him focus on those brave and righteous Turks of the
past who stood in the way of tyranny and saved their neighbors. Don't
fabricate history. Contemporary Turks deserve to know the truth so the
healing process can begin. And Armenians must have the sins perpetrated
upon their ancestors acknowledged so that their healing can begin.
"Of course there are moderate Armenians looking for dialogue, but it
seems they are being terrorized by the more radicals."
MS: It's not radical to stick to the truth.
"What's wrong with commemorating a few hundred Turks who had nothing
to do with the Armenian tragedy in Anatolia?"
MS: What's wrong? They were not Turks. And there weren't a few
hundred. There were approximately 135 Alevi Kurds, Assyrians, Armenians
and other minorities who fled the Ottoman Empire for a better life
in Canada who were then tragically caught up in war hysteria and
interned as enemy aliens.
"It would have been much wiser to come and attend the ceremony and
perhaps give messages or letters to the Turkish ambassador, asking
the Turkish state to show the same sensitivity to the thousands of
dead Armenians."
MS: Thousands? Try a million-and-a-half. What sort of sensitivity
is the ambassador showing? Those interned had fled oppression in the
Ottoman Empire. They were Ottoman citizens, but they were not ethnic
Turks. They were Kurds, Alevis, Assyrians, and Armenians. Why can't
the ambassador acknowledge this?
"Another example of the Armenian "industry": Apparently whenever
Turkish representations donate books reflecting the Turkish side
of what happened to the local libraries, Armenians take the books,
destroy them, and then pay compensation."
The denial industry in Turkey is losing, albeit slowly,
MS: Thank goodness.
"its force; I wonder when this will be the case with the Armenian
diaspora."
MS: The Armenian diaspora has amassed an impressive collection of
primary documentation about the Genocide of Armenians. It is a pursuit
for justice, with hard data to back it up.
"I wonder to what degree they are ready to realize that taboos are
being broken in Turkey about the Armenian tragedy.
MS: The correct descriptive is Genocide.
"More and more people are questioning the past. It is imperative that
the Armenian diaspora realizes this change in Turkey. Yet without
any bridges for dialogue, how can we blame them for not being aware
of current developments on the subject?"
MS: The ambassador could demonstrate this development by looking at
the facts of WWI internment instead of spinning into propaganda.
"In contrast to the past, the Turkish government is very much willing
to enter into a dialogue with the diaspora; in fact Foreign Minister
Ahmet Davutoglu has called them the "Anatolian diaspora.
"But in view of the resistance that will emanate from the diaspora,
countries that are hosting Armenian communities should help initiate
this dialogue. After all, several countries, from Europe to the
Americas, will come under extreme pressure from both Armenians and
Turks in these two years ahead."
http://www.keghart.com/Skrypuch-Response
By Marsha Skrypuch, Ontario, 5 February 2014
On Feb. 4 "Hurriyet" daily of Turkey published an article titled "The
Armenian Diaspora and the Memory of 205 Turks in Canada" by columnist
Barcin Yinanc. The fatuous article was riddled with outright lies,
half-truths and distortions. Here's a categorical reply to Yinanc by
Marsha Skrypuch, author of five books set in the Genocide of Armenians
and two books set in the WWI Canadian internment operations.--Editor
"Three years ago I went skiing in the Banff National Park in Canada.
At that time I did not know that Turks who were incarcerated during
World War I were perhaps among those who helped build the park!"
MARSHA SKRYPUCH: This is incorrect. There was one person from the
Ottoman Empire interned at Banff: J. Camilbeck--an Assyiran, not an
ethnic Turk. Assyrians were persecuted by the Ottoman government and
the Young Turk government. (Source: Roll Call can be downloaded and
searched at http://uccla.ca/sources.htm )
"I just recently discovered that during the First World War, "enemy
aliens (nationals of Germany and of the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish
Empires)" MS: There was no such empire as the Turkish Empire in
WWI. There was an Ottoman Empire.
"were subject to internment. Of 8,579 men at 24 camps across Canada,
5,954 were of Austro-Hungarian origin, including 5,000 Ukrainians;
2009 were Germans, 205 were Turks.
MS: My count is actually 135 from the Ottoman Empire, but this does
not make them ethnic Turks. Virtually all of those interned who
came to Canada from the Ottoman Empire were from persecuted minority
groups--mostly Alevi Kurds, although there were some Assyrians and
a few Armenians.
"and 99 were Bulgarians. All endured hunger and forced labor, helping
to build some of Canada's best-known landmarks such as the Banff
National Park, according to the Canadian Encyclopedia."
MS: Those who were interned from cities were already enduring hunger.
those who had stayed in the Ottoman Empire would likely have died
not only because of the war but because the Young Turk triumvirate
had decided upon the destruction of citizens who were not ethnic Turks.
"These Turks"
MS: They were not Turks. They were immigrants from the Ottoman Empire.
"used to live in Bradford."
MS: Brantford in Ontario.
"All 200"
MS: The correct overall figure is 135, but not all of them lived in
Brantford. Approximately 100 lived in Brantford.
"or so were picked up one night"
MS: Arrested because of an unfounded rumor that they had tried to
blow up the local post office in an act of treason. This assertion
was soon dropped. Those who had citizenship papers were let go. Those
who didn't were interned. They were fed and likely ate better than
they had in months. Residents from enemy countries who had not become
naturalized Canadians were subject to restrictions in time of war.
Some were interned while others had to report regularly to the local
authorities. Those who were interned did do hard labour but were
credited 25 cents a day, which could be redeemed at the camp store.
They were fed and housed.
"and sent to a camp north of Ontario."
MS: The camp was not north of Ontario. It was in Northern
Ontario--Kapuskasing, Ontario.
"They spent five years there."
MS: Most spent less than two years. Many were paroled and worked
in factories, some in the St. Catharines area of Southern Ontario,
near Brantford.
"Some died there."
MS: One Ottoman internee died while in Kapuskasing, Ontario. His name
was Alex Hassan, an Alevi Kurd, not an ethnic Turk.
"Others came back to Bradford."
MS: Brantford. There is also no documentation that any returned
to Brantford.
"There is a burial site in the city where the bodies of some of those
who came back are believed to be."
MS: This is inaccurate. In Mount Hope cemetery, close to the Armenian
section, is a section where Alevi Kurds are buried. When comparing
the names of people buried in this plot, there is no exact match to
the names of known internees. There are three similar names but in
all three cases, the names are classic Alevi Kurd names. In short:
it would be a lie to claim that ethnic Turk internees are buried here.
"This year marks the centenary of the start of World War I. So the
Turkish ambassador to Canada, just like his other Italian or German
colleagues, decided to start an initiative to commemorate the Turks
that suffered in the detention camps."
MS: Except that there is no documentation of any ethnic Turks who
were interned in Canada.
"The response of the local municipality to the wish to mark the place
with a plaque was positive at first, yet local authorities appear to
be hesitating in backing this purely humanitarian initiative."
MS: If this were a humanitarian initiative the Turkish ambassador
would have acknowledged the true ethnicity of these people. This is
clearly a propaganda effort and it was recognized as such by local
(Brantford) authorities.
"No doubt the Armenian community is behind it."
MS: While there is no documentation that ethnic Turks were interned,
there is documentation of a few Armenians who were interned. For this
reason it would be natural for the Armenian community to be interested
in the subject.
I must point out that I am not Armenian. My heritage is Irish/French
on my mother's side and Ukrainian on my father's side. My own
Ukrainian grandfather was interned in WWI in Jasper Alberta. I find
the ambassador's entire charade to be disrespectful of the memory and
hardship that the true internees were subjected to. I resent having
my own grandfather's tragedy used as a political tool by the Turkish
ambassador in his quest to deny the Armenian Genocide.
"They think this is an effort to derail their lobbying activities!"
MS: It is fairly clear that the ambassador wishes to label these
non-Turks in order to use them as a propaganda tool.
"Turkish historian Taner Akcam, who claims that the World War I mass
killings of Armenians by Ottoman hands was genocide, talks about a
"denial industry" in Turkey. I would not contest it, except that the
same is also true for the Armenian diaspora. Their industry is about
closing all eyes and ears to anything that can question genocide."
MS: The writer is fabricating again. Since there is no documentation
of Turks interned in Canada, it is the Turks who are shutting their
eyes to the truth.
"But this industry goes as far as "obstructing anything Turks do;
hating anything Turkish."
MS: This is incorrect. There are many stories passed down from
survivors of the Genocide of Armenians about Turks who saved their
Armenian neighbors from destruction, even risking their own lives to
do so. Virtually every survivor heard of at least one of these noble
Turks. Why can't the Turkish government acknowledge the Genocide of
the past? People alive today did not commit it, but by this continual
denial there can never be healing between Turks and Armenians. If
the ambassador wants a 100th anniversary story to highlight Turkish
history, let him focus on those brave and righteous Turks of the
past who stood in the way of tyranny and saved their neighbors. Don't
fabricate history. Contemporary Turks deserve to know the truth so the
healing process can begin. And Armenians must have the sins perpetrated
upon their ancestors acknowledged so that their healing can begin.
"Of course there are moderate Armenians looking for dialogue, but it
seems they are being terrorized by the more radicals."
MS: It's not radical to stick to the truth.
"What's wrong with commemorating a few hundred Turks who had nothing
to do with the Armenian tragedy in Anatolia?"
MS: What's wrong? They were not Turks. And there weren't a few
hundred. There were approximately 135 Alevi Kurds, Assyrians, Armenians
and other minorities who fled the Ottoman Empire for a better life
in Canada who were then tragically caught up in war hysteria and
interned as enemy aliens.
"It would have been much wiser to come and attend the ceremony and
perhaps give messages or letters to the Turkish ambassador, asking
the Turkish state to show the same sensitivity to the thousands of
dead Armenians."
MS: Thousands? Try a million-and-a-half. What sort of sensitivity
is the ambassador showing? Those interned had fled oppression in the
Ottoman Empire. They were Ottoman citizens, but they were not ethnic
Turks. They were Kurds, Alevis, Assyrians, and Armenians. Why can't
the ambassador acknowledge this?
"Another example of the Armenian "industry": Apparently whenever
Turkish representations donate books reflecting the Turkish side
of what happened to the local libraries, Armenians take the books,
destroy them, and then pay compensation."
The denial industry in Turkey is losing, albeit slowly,
MS: Thank goodness.
"its force; I wonder when this will be the case with the Armenian
diaspora."
MS: The Armenian diaspora has amassed an impressive collection of
primary documentation about the Genocide of Armenians. It is a pursuit
for justice, with hard data to back it up.
"I wonder to what degree they are ready to realize that taboos are
being broken in Turkey about the Armenian tragedy.
MS: The correct descriptive is Genocide.
"More and more people are questioning the past. It is imperative that
the Armenian diaspora realizes this change in Turkey. Yet without
any bridges for dialogue, how can we blame them for not being aware
of current developments on the subject?"
MS: The ambassador could demonstrate this development by looking at
the facts of WWI internment instead of spinning into propaganda.
"In contrast to the past, the Turkish government is very much willing
to enter into a dialogue with the diaspora; in fact Foreign Minister
Ahmet Davutoglu has called them the "Anatolian diaspora.
"But in view of the resistance that will emanate from the diaspora,
countries that are hosting Armenian communities should help initiate
this dialogue. After all, several countries, from Europe to the
Americas, will come under extreme pressure from both Armenians and
Turks in these two years ahead."
http://www.keghart.com/Skrypuch-Response