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  • A Tale of Two Countries: Turkey, Armenia, and a Silent Genocide

    Biographile
    Nov 5 2014


    A Tale of Two Countries: Turkey, Armenia, and a Silent Genocide

    November 5, 2014 |

    By David Burr Gerrard

    In April of 1915, the Ottoman Empire began the planned extermination
    of its Armenian population, killing between 1 and 1.5 million people,
    an event that contributed to the coining of the term "genocide." In
    present-day Turkey, acknowledging this fact is a crime. Nobel Laureate
    Orhan Pamuk is only one of many who have been prosecuted or otherwise
    legally harassed for speaking out.

    As a child growing up in New Jersey, Meline Toumani was sent for
    several summers to Camp Haiastan in Massachusetts, where she and other
    Armenian-American children learned about Hai Tahd, the effort to gain
    recognition for the Armenian genocide. Debate existed about whether
    violence in the name of Hai Tahd was justified. As she got older,
    Toumani started to wonder whether the obsession with recognition was
    detrimental to the Armenian community. In 2004, she wrote an article
    for The Nation asking whether the single-minded focus on this issue
    was harmful to the country of Armenia by preventing it from opening up
    economic relations with Turkey. Focused on this history and how it
    might be overcome, she traveled to Turkey, a country that she had
    often seen demonized, to get to know its people as people. Her hope
    was to forge connections that surpassed the painful history of
    genocide.

    What Toumani found in Turkey was much more complicated: a country that
    was, among many other things, deformed by mandated denial. Her new
    memoir, There Was and There Was Not, is a profound and nuanced work
    about what it costs to remember the past and what it costs trying to
    forget it.

    Toumani spoke with Biographile recently at a café in SoHo.

    Biographile: Let's start with an obvious question. Why did you write the book?

    Meline Toumani: As I was starting out my career as a journalist, I
    overtly said I did not want to write about the Armenians or the
    genocide. Inevitably, I kept doing it anyway. Every time I wrote
    something, it became more controversial than I intended, specifically
    this piece I wrote for The Nation in 2004. I was trying to find a way
    to say that there's something wrong with the way the Armenian
    community deals with the genocide issue, that there's something wrong
    with the dominance it has over the community and the way it creeps
    into every single realm.

    I stumbled into this argument about how the diaspora's obsession with
    the genocide causes problems for the country of Armenia, which could
    have benefited from economic relations with Turkey. The climate that
    the diaspora was creating with its villainization of Turkey was making
    diplomatic relations impossible. There's some grain of truth in that,
    but I wouldn't make that argument anymore. What I realized over many
    attempts to write and think about it is that what I was talking about
    was an emotional and psychological problem, not an economic one. As I
    started to realize that, I decided that if I didn't explore this and
    take it to the limit, I would just keep carving off little pieces of
    it in articles and essays. I needed to get it out of my system so I
    could work on other things. Even though it took ten years, I think
    that that was really true, which means that I'm really looking forward
    to working on other things now.

    BIOG: One thing that's fascinating about this book is that where many
    memoirs have an arc of, "I was angry about something, and then I met
    people and learned that we're all human beings," this memoir almost
    has the opposite arc.

    MT: That's a very interesting way to look at it. In a sense, I started
    out with a diplomatic goal, vision, almost a calling. I wanted to
    bring people together. In my book proposal, I called it "a literary
    act of diplomacy," and I meant that a hundred percent. As I got deeper
    and deeper into the material and into the experience of reporting in
    Turkey, that optimism started to fall apart.

    First, Hrant Dink, the Armenian journalist in Istanbul, was murdered
    in 2007, just as I was on my way back to Turkey to really dive into
    this. I think I knew very quickly that I had gotten it wrong, but it
    took me a long time to admit that on the page, because I didn't want
    to end up saying something like the people I had been criticizing at
    first. I didn't want to end up saying something that sounded like an
    Armenian diaspora lobbyist, showing all the ways that Turkey has
    screwed up. That wasn't the literary act of diplomacy I had set out to
    do. That brought me through the whole arc for myself. I still haven't
    made peace with that myself. I still want to give people a new way of
    engaging.

    BIOG: In encounter after encounter in the book, you seem to go in with
    a lot of curiosity and goodwill, and then are disappointed.

    MT: That's true, and it took me a long time to pack up my toys and go
    home, in part because I didn't want that to be the answer. In some
    ways, the pattern was established very quickly, but it took two and a
    half years and the incident at the airport towards the end of the book
    to make me realize that I had completely lost my center and that I
    needed to get out of Turkey.

    BIOG: What recent developments have you seen?

    MT: It's hard for me to say what the climate [in Turkey] is like
    because I don't like to make assumptions when I'm not there. But it
    seems to me from everything I read on a daily basis that at the very
    least the criminalization of talking about the genocide has changed
    notably in the last couple of years. So while all the official
    language and documentation will continue to push this contorted
    denialist version of the history, there is notably more freedom for
    academics and journalists to speak. Five years ago they would have
    been spending all their time in court.

    You'll always have the Turkish version of American Confederate-lovers
    in the South, people who never fully got on board with modern American
    values of tolerance. Twenty-five years from now, though, it will be
    much more mainstream in Turkey to acknowledge the genocide. I think.
    But I could be wrong.

    http://www.biographile.com/tale-of-two-countries/37573/

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