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    CICEK: WITHOUT TURKEY, THE EU CANNOT BE A STRATEGIC POWER

    Today's Zaman
    Feb 9 2009
    Turkey

    State Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek has said that
    the Christian Democrats who have assumed office in EU member countries
    have been cool toward Turkey's prospective membership.

    He argued that the EU's negative and obstructive attitude has been
    encouraging those groups who oppose Turkey's EU membership. "This also
    reinforces the Turkish people's perception that the EU is not inclined
    to accept Turkey as a member, regardless of how well it performs,"
    he said. "There must be popular support for the membership process,
    but negative statements and attitudes are wearing down this support."

    Cicek reiterated that Turkey faces great difficulties as a prospective
    EU member in the midst of negotiations. "Nevertheless, we, as the
    government, have not slackened in our determination with regard to
    the EU process. We are not hesitant in the least about it. I believe
    -- this is also the government's view -- that Turkey's negotiations
    for the EU process are beneficial provided that Turkey becomes an EU
    member in the end," he said. He emphasized that the EU has not been
    able to emerge as a power that can solve international crises. "In
    this respect, it needs Turkey as a member that can make contributions
    to settling crises," he argued.

    Cicek also touched on the ongoing Ergenekon investigation. "We must
    have complete confidence in the judicial process and wait for the
    conclusion of the trial. People should refrain from making assessments
    from their own political standpoints and patiently let the process
    take its natural course," he said. "Doing otherwise is wrong."

    Cicek is not only the wise man of the ruling Justice and Development
    Party (AK Party), but also the memory of the history of Turkish
    administration since the Motherland Party (ANAP, now ANAVATAN)
    government that first took office in 1983. He spoke with Today's Zaman
    for an interview recently, as it is his custom to do an interview
    with one newspaper after every Cabinet meeting.

    The year 2009 was announced as the year of the EU. We did the same
    in 2008, but we were unable to accomplish it then. Do you believe
    Turkey's EU bid is back on track?

    Every piece of legislation related to the Copenhagen criteria
    had been drafted by the Justice Ministry ahead of the start of
    Turkey's negotiations with the EU. Today, Turkey can proceed with
    its negotiations thanks to the infrastructure the Justice Ministry
    laid during my time as its head. Turkey is currently a negotiating
    country, but it faces great difficulties. Nevertheless, we, as the
    government, have not slackened in our determination with regard to
    the EU process. We are not hesitant in the least about it. I believe
    -- this is also the government's view -- that Turkey's negotiations
    for the EU process are beneficial provided that Turkey becomes an EU
    member in the end.

    'Today the EU is not a problem-solving power'

    What if it does not end with full membership?

    This is a thing that we are not willing to even discuss. We do not
    want to think about such a possibility. This is because the primary
    target of the negotiations we are conducting is to attain full
    membership. We go on with the negotiations on the condition that we
    will become a full member in the end. We have never considered any
    alternative. We will not accept any preliminary condition other than
    full membership. This is a point that everyone should be aware of.

    Turkey's EU membership will be to the benefit not only of Turkey, but
    also the EU. Indeed, the EU is today an economic power. It can also be
    regarded as a political power. But it is not a strategic power. It is
    not a problem-solving power in the international arena. This is only
    possible through Turkey's membership. There are examples to prove this
    point. For instance, more than 25,000 people were massacred in the
    middle of Europe, i.e., in Bosnia. Despite the fact that this region
    was part of Europe, the EU could not do anything about this massacre.

    Similarly, there was another massacre in Kosovo. The EU failed
    to act to prevent this tragedy that happened in its immediate
    vicinity. Moreover, the EU was ineffective concerning the incidents in
    the Middle East and the Caucasus. Today the EU is not a problem-solving
    power with respect to any international crisis. In this respect,
    it needs Turkey as a member that can make contributions to settling
    crises.

    Yet, you, too, would agree that there has been a general slowdown in
    the process. Why?

    There are several reasons for the slowdown in the process. One of these
    factors can be grouped as obstacles caused by the EU itself. Initially,
    the process was quite fast. There were countries in Europe that
    were warm to the idea of accepting Turkey as an EU member. These
    countries were being ruled by social democratic governments. Now
    the Christian Democrats, or the parties that oppose Turkey's EU
    membership, are now in power throughout Europe. These governments
    either have a distorted view about Turkey's EU membership or propose
    other options for Turkey. Second, the prerequisite for Turkey starting
    negotiations with the EU has long been advertised as its fulfillment
    of the Copenhagen criteria. We have satisfactorily fulfilled these
    criteria. Indeed, [EU Commission Vice President] Gunter Verheugen
    said at the time that there were no more problems. But they placed
    the Cyprus issue on the table.

    However, it was never mentioned as a prerequisite. The EU made another
    wrong move and made the Greek Cypriots a full member, even though
    they had ongoing disputes with their neighbors and were not inclined
    to solve them. The Greek Cypriots have dominated the EU's policies.

    With respect to the Cyprus issue, the EU has not only failed to
    offer any solution, but it has also started to block any move toward
    settling the issue. By doing so, it shows that it is not and will
    not become a strategic power. They have admitted this halfheartedly,
    but they still lend support to the Greek Cypriots and they want every
    step to be taken by the Turkish side.

    This is the EU's crooked conception of justice. Its scales are
    insensitive and wrong. They have blocked eight out of 33 negotiating
    chapters because of the Greek Cypriots. Five chapters were blocked by
    France. The screening reports under 10 chapters are yet to be sent to
    Turkey. When these are removed from the table, nothing significant
    remains for negotiations. There are already 10 chapters that were
    opened. There remain only six chapters. Those who complain about a
    slowdown must realize this.

    So you are putting all the blame on the EU. Aren't there any
    developments in Turkey that have blocked the process?

    Of course, there are obstacles on our side, but we can overcome
    them, as we did in the past. But the EU's negative and obstructive
    attitude has been encouraging the groups that oppose Turkey's EU
    membership. This serves as a factor of discouragement for the
    implementation of the bills we pass. This also reinforces the
    Turkish people's perception that the EU is not inclined to accept
    Turkey as a members, regardless of how it performs. However, the EU
    is a comprehensive project. There must be popular support for the
    membership process. But negative statements and attitudes are wearing
    down this support.

    It is being said that following Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's
    harsh words against Israel, the Jewish lobby in the US will withdraw
    its support from Turkey with respect to the Armenian "genocide"
    bill. Do you think that a new era has begun in Turkish-Israeli
    relations?

    This and other things are being said. Some say these things as
    wishful thinking. The prime minister and the Turkish government
    have not done anything against the Jewish nation or the Jewish
    race. Such an attitude would not be accepted in our beliefs or our
    culture. And our past is full of examples showing this. It said that
    because of Israel's recent attack on Gaza, about 1,300 people died,
    5,000 people were wounded and about 50,000 people were left without
    homes. The damage amounts to about $2 billion. Forty-two percent of
    the 1,300 deaths were women and children. There were publications
    and broadcasts around the world. International TV networks covered
    the tragedy. Even Jewish intellectuals criticized it. We have never
    entertained anti-Semitism. We have never had hostility against Jews
    or the Israeli people, and we never will. Turkey is the only country
    that can express this criticism and, at the same time, continue to
    have dialogue with all sides. We attach importance to our relations
    with Israel, and we intend to maintain them.

    'Ergenekon is a lawful investigation'

    The Ergenekon investigation has become the most discussed investigation
    in Turkey's history. It is claimed that the ruling party is using
    this investigation to suppress its rivals. How do you regard this
    investigation?

    Everyone should know this: This is a lawful investigation. But,
    since its inception, there have been political discussions about the
    trial. In particular, Republican People's Party [CHP] leader Deniz
    Baykal has been making very political comments about this purely legal
    process. Baykal practiced law, and he knows well that it is illegal
    to make such comments about an issue that is being investigated by
    the judicial authorities. This is an offense under Article 288. The
    prosecutors are supposed to launch an investigation under this article,
    be it against Baykal or others. Unfortunately, no due care is being
    paid to this. Everyone is talking about the rule of law, but they
    readily violate it. If the rule of law is being sought, and if everyone
    wants the Turkish republic to be governed by the rule of law as laid
    out in its Constitution, then everyone must pay due respect to the
    law. Failing to abide by the law and at the same time advocating the
    rule of law is an unfortunate paradox. Even media organizations and
    politicians suffer from this dilemma. Worst of it is that even some
    judicial officials, too, fail to pay respect to rule of law. No one
    is allowed to say anything about an ongoing trial. This is because we
    do not know about the content of the case file. I personally do not
    know it. How can I speak about something about which I know nothing?

    In whatever form they advertise, these are all purely political
    comments. If one makes political assessments about an ongoing legal
    process, then law becomes a vehicle for daily politics.

    In this way, you politicize law. This is what Turkey frequently
    does. This question was asked to me during the news conference held
    after the Cabinet meeting. Every time, I answered it by recalling the
    legal rules. It is wrong to speak about that which you know nothing
    about. In this way, you either declare people as innocent or guilty in
    the beginning. This means that you establish legal judgments not based
    on clear truth, but based on your biases, ideological obsessions or
    political position. When the people detained are in their political
    camp, they cry, "Why can you detain these people? How can you arrest
    these people who have hold certain positions?" In other words, they
    demand privileges for them. When the people detained are in the
    rival camp, then they say, "They got their dessert. This was what
    was expected."

    This is not law. This is utterly wrong. You cannot rely on your
    ideological obsessions or some abstract illusions in your mind
    in pursuing your politics. This will complicate things for the
    judiciary. A person who is detained or who is being investigated is
    neither guilty nor innocent. We cannot know it. It is the court that
    will decide about his case. Then, everyone must be patient. Such
    comprehensive investigations cannot be easily completed in a short
    time. Such investigations were conducted only during martial law
    in Turkey. This investigation is the biggest and most comprehensive
    investigation of the Turkish republic.

    We must have utter confidence in the judicial process and wait for the
    conclusion of the trial. The court may be erroneous in procedures or
    as to the merits of the case. There are legal provisions to correct
    these. There is also the Supreme Court of Appeals as an ultimate
    authority of appeal. If there are errors in the case files, they will
    eventually be reviewed by the Supreme Court of Appeals. People should
    refrain from making assessments from their own political standpoints,
    but be patient for the process to take its natural course. This
    is wrong.

    Recently, some people have argued that it is not an offense to
    consider or plan a military coup as long as no attempt is made to
    fulfill it. This is a recurring argument voiced by Mumtaz Soysal and
    some other people. These arguments seem to be moves to acquit the
    suspects. What do you think about it?

    I do not want to talk much about it. Not only with respect
    to the Ergenekon investigation, but also with regard to other
    corruption cases, professional solidarity tends to outweigh legal
    considerations. People tend to distort law for these members of
    their own political camp. Legal rules are sacrificed to professional
    solidarity. We have seen examples of it many times. It is my hope
    that we will not see them in future. I can perfectly understand
    solidarity among members of the same profession on purely humanitarian
    considerations. One can pay a visit to a detained person. One can
    visit even a convicted person; his conviction does not imply that one
    should cut off ties with that person. In other words, a convicted
    person is not cursed person. One can visit that person's relatives
    or spouse. You can perform visits after getting permission for
    it. Indeed, laws specify who can visit whom, and one is supposed to
    abide by laws. These are humanitarian considerations. You cannot raise
    objections about them. Yet, if you go beyond this and put yourself
    in place of the judiciary and start to accuse or penalize someone,
    this will be wrong. This is a frequent practice in Turkey.

    Professional solidarity is acceptable provided that it stays within
    humanitarian limits. But if you frequently go out and issue statements
    or hold press conferences, then one is inclined to ask whether laws
    are just for the weak. Is this acceptable? This is wrong. Offenses
    are committed by people, not by professions.

    If you emphasize the title of the person who has committed a crime,
    this will lead to suspension of law. Offenses are committed by
    individuals, not by certain professions.

    If justice is the basis of everything, then everyone must pay respect
    to it. However, we tend to attach greater importance to our ideology
    than law. We tend to be guided by our camps and our professional
    biases. Soysal is not an expert on criminal law as he is specialized
    in constitutional law. In legal terms, his arguments are not valid.

    'What happened before presidental elections?'

    It seems that the military is involved not only in legal processes,
    but also in the political process. A recently disclosed voice
    recording reveals that former Chief of General Staff İsmail Hakkı
    Karadayı warned former ANAVATAN leader Erkan Mumcu not to attend
    the parliamentary session for electing the president.

    There were illegalities and troubles during the presidential election,
    and the parliamentary elections had to be held in July, earlier
    than its normal schedule. As we have failed to solve this issue
    through legal and constitutional methods, we have to refer it to
    the nation for final settlement. During that process, we have gone
    through a number of things. These will be clarified in time. Yet,
    Turkey should now leave those days back in the past. All troubles
    and issues are being closely monitored and eventually solved by the
    nation. It will continue to settle them in future. There are about
    50 million voters. Will they intimidate them?

    The Constitutional Court canceled the lawful interception law, which
    is also known as wiretapping bill. Will this lead to the cancellation
    of the wiretapping methods used in the Ergenekon investigation.

    The law was not canceled in its entirety. This law is an important
    law. The way to protect freedoms in Turkey is to establish the
    public order. When the public order is distorted, you cannot bring
    freedom. If in a country you cannot establish public order under law,
    and you cannot go out freely, then whether you have freedom to travel
    or right to own property is unimportant. For this reason, public
    order is the guarantee for freedoms. These two are not alternatives
    to each other. They both have to coexist.

    Today, offenses against the public order are being committed in
    an organized manner. These surveillance technology and methods are
    prerequisites for the fight against organized crimes.

    By passing this law, we have laid the legal framework for these
    methods. The Constitutional Court does not raise objections to this
    point. It has only canceled the provisions concerning the appointment
    of the people responsible for this work. After seeing the reasoned
    decision, we will make arrangements. This bill has not been passed for
    the Ergenekon investigation. Even individual crimes are being committed
    in a collective manner. The Constitutional Court acknowledges the
    raison d'etre of this bill. The wiretapping by the police is being
    performed upon court order. I don't think this will be a problem.
    --Boundary_(ID_ptqQQd6qCN0kSB656/z7ew)--
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